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convincing secular people that following Satan is wrong

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Alien_Youth, Apr 2, 2005.

  1. niamhwitch

    niamhwitch Celtic Faery Wiccan )O(

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    Actually (and this coming from my JW upbringing), only 144,000 will go to heaven and the rest of the good Christians will spend 1000 years on a second 'Paradise' after Armegeddon comes. :p

    Of course I dont believe that (me not even being Christian, lol), and I know most Christians dont believe that either (apparently just the JWs)... but I think it actually says that in the bible (Revelations if I remember correctly). eh, oh well... thats off topic, lol.
     
  2. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    That's OK, we won't hold such beliefs against you. ;)

    "When one is in a state of delusion, one is considered a common mortal. When one is awakened to the truth, one is considered an enlightened one. There is no difference between the two, save for the absence of delusion." (paraphrasing Nichiren)
     
  3. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Niamhwitch. I don't think it's an either/or thing, regardless of arguments to the contrary.

    I`d be inclined to give that argument to the contrary.

    Every Christian i`ve ever known thinks it`s an either/or thing.
    Except those who skirt the question by saying..

    "It`s not for me to know."

    Even if they think they do.

    It`s a part of the doctrine, you can only be saved by accepteing Jesus as savior.
    If you don`t, you burn.


    :)
     
  4. reficul

    reficul New Member

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    Thanks Prima for that educated observation. The point that i wish to make is that if you wish to convince others that what they do is wrong, than you must come to a conclusion in your own heart about why you yourself beleive what you do. To understand your enemy before you understand yourself is the wrong way to wage a war against evil. Satan knows himself, and his followers have a long list of reasons of why they are not in the wrong. You must give yourself a solid ground of reason so to speak, as to why what you beleive is the one true faith. If there is one thing about my Christian aquaintances that angers me it is the fact that they do not base there religious feelings on fact. Now don't get me wrong, i am not speeking of physical facts alone. If something you beleive has affected your life and the lives of those around you so strongly that it is to the point that denial of its existance would be insanity than those feelings that you have about it are accountable as facts. Simple faith is not a fact. Following a religious faith just because your parents, a book, or a prophet says you should is a sin of stupidity in my eyes and the eyes of many people. It leads back to the "if your preacher jumped of a bridge..." way of thought. And to clear things up a little Prima, i mean no disrespect. You just need to learn to listen before you speak.
     
  5. true blood

    true blood Active Member

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    There will be one rapture for the, born-again believers,the Body of Christ, not facing any judgement. A resurrection and judgement for Israel, the bride of Christ. And a second resurrection and judgement for the just and unjust. And those born of the seed of the adversary will go to the lake of fire. 1 rapture and 2 resurrections. Either you will be placed in the New Jerusalem (believers), on the new earth (people just plain confused) or cast into the lake of fire (for the extremely evil people)
     
  6. MARILYN MANSON

    MARILYN MANSON New Member

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    TO HELL :help: YOU SAY????
     
  7. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    Hell isn't a grave, it is a true place of torment (Matthew 5:22, Luke 16:23 and 2 Peter 2:4) whose master is the prince of this earth (Satan, 2 Corinthians 11:14, Revelations 12:9, 20:5 and 20:7). As far as where followers of Christ go after death, reference 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 that references the Rapture. Those who are dead in Christ, there saved spirit is with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:6-8). When the Lord returns, He will rapture the church with when our new bodies are united with our spirits and will reign with the Lord forever. May God continue to bless you. I woud recommend that you pray for your friend and since she is a fairly new Chrisitian, to encourage her to fellowship in Church consistently and attend Sunday School classes and Bible Study in an effort to be spritually fed and the opportunity to mature in her relationship with Christ. :jiggy:
     
  8. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    Please be very specific in your claim when referencing the Bible. No where in the Bible in reference to salvation does Jesus or any of the apostles make reference to a select number of people entering Heaven. According to the Word of God, the Holy Bible, salvation is available to all, who accept Christ in their heart through faith, so your reference is certainly not based on any Biblical truth. Please reference 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 if you are so inclined. God Bless you. :jiggy:
     
  9. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    I believe you are implying that a belief system based on faith is shallow, but I would strongly disagree with you. Salvation is based on faith, not sight, not anything tangible that I can touch or see (Jesus Christ and God the Father), but the work of whom we as Christian believe so strongly is actviely engaged in our lives. God does speak and engage in a relationship with His people through the Bible, the Church (other believers in the body of Christ), life circumstances and through prayer. In John 20:29, when Jesus appeared to His disciples after His ressurection, he told them that you believe because you see, but blessed are those that have not seen, but yet believe. I do not need for God to tap me on my shoulder for me to believe. That does not represent a fantasy or fairy tale, but a real and personal relationship with God through His Son, Jesus Christ. The incarnation, cruxifiction and resurrection of Christ that salvation is based on is a matter of Biblical and world history that is very difficultto dispute or disprove. May God continue to bless you. :jiggy:
     
  10. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Yes, because the rest of them will be going to whatever afterlife they have.
     
  11. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    I think you may be stretching the whole 'world history' makes Jesus and his resurrection difficult to dispute or disprove thing a bit thin.
     
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