Convictions In The Arbery Case

[pearl]

I found it interesting that the former prosecutor, who refused to pursue any investigation into Abrey's death is herself now having to answer for her neglect amounting to obstruction of justice.

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

I'm fine with their being killed.
The problem lies in the process of identifying them.
It's been fraught with error & corruption.
So I wouldn't give government that power.

I think some mistakes are fine
We don''t stop making a house because it might collapse and kill us.

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

Capital punishment simply does not deter crime as the stats show, plus it's based on a false premise that a murderer cannot be reformed. IOW, two wrongs don't make a right.

The goal for it is justice, if someone killed me I hope my daddy would carry out as he has said and get him back

 

[Revoltingest]

I think some mistakes are fine
We don''t stop making a house because it might collapse and kill us.

We don't stop using safe standards just because accidents could still happen.

Death penalty:
- More expensive than life in prison
- Irreversible
- Not a deterrent
- Judicial errors & corruption go undetected after execution.

Life in prison :
- Cheaper than death penalty
- When corruption &/or incompetence in judicial process
are found, prisoner can be re-tried. Many have been
released after being found not guilty.
- Incentive to discover corruption &/or incompetence in
judicial process encourages reform.

Ref...
https://scholarlycommons.susqu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1026&context=supr

 

[Hold]

Capital punishment simply does not deter crime as the stats show, plus it's based on a false premise that a murderer cannot be reformed. IOW, two wrongs don't make a right.

I totally agree. One more bad feature of the death penalty, it is irreversible and I have no idea how many executions actually punished the wrong individual.

 

[metis]

The goal for it is justice, if someone killed me I hope my daddy would carry out as he has said and get him back

Then the reality is that he would then be no more moral than the killer since it would be a totally unnecessary act because there are far less brutal alternatives with our jails & prisons.

 

[metis]

I totally agree. One more bad feature of the death penalty, it is irreversible and I have no idea how many executions actually punished the wrong individual.

Exactly, and I remember an FBI estimate that about one in ten convictions are actually false convictions, and some states banned executions for that exact same reason, and the first state to do that is my state of Michigan.

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

We don't stop using safe standards just because accidents could still happen.

Death penalty:
- More expensive than life in prison
- Irreversible
- Not a deterrent
- Judicial errors & corruption go undetected after execution.

Life in prison :
- Cheaper than death penalty
- When corruption &/or incompetence in judicial process
are found, prisoner can be re-tried. Many have been
released after being found not guilty.
- Incentive to discover corruption &/or incompetence in
judicial process encourages reform.

Ref...
https://scholarlycommons.susqu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1026&context=supr

It can be made cheaper, and the rest of those I don't think are that big tbh

 

[Revoltingest]

It can be made cheaper, and the rest of those I don't think are that big tbh

Even if it were cheaper, the other factors matter greatly to me.

 

[fantome profane]

It can be made cheaper, and the rest of those I don't think are that big tbh

Even if it were cheaper, the other factors matter greatly to me.

Making it cheaper would of course result in even more errors than there are currently.

 

[Revoltingest]

Making it cheaper would of course result in even more errors than there are currently.

We're just considering costs.
Not proposing making it cheaper by cutting corners with people's rights.

 

[fantome profane]

We're just considering costs.
Not proposing making it cheaper by cutting corners with people's rights.

I don’t see how that is possible. The reason it is the more expensive option has to do with court costs and legal fees. Multiple appeals and multiple lawyer, and all at the expense of the State (people on death row are never wealthy).

Where do you imagine the savings would come from?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t see how that is possible. The reason it is the more expensive option has to do with court costs and legal fees. Multiple appeals and multiple lawyer, and all at the expense of the State (people on death row are never wealthy).

Where do you imagine the savings would come from?

As I recall, I only addressed life in prison
being cheaper than capital punishment.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news....
Former DA indicted after allegedly 'showing favor' to men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery
Excerpted...
A former Georgia district attorney was indicted Thursday by a grand jury, which said she showed preference to the men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery last year.

The former prosecutor, Jacquelyn Lee Johnson, was indicted on charges of violation of oath of public officer and obstruction of a police officer, Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr announced. Johnson was the Brunswick Judicial Circuit district attorney when Arbery, 25, a Black man, was shot in February 2020. Johnson ultimately lost re-election in November.

Arbery was shot and killed on Feb. 23 after Gregory McMichael, 64, and Travis McMichael, 34, his son, followed him in their pickup. Arbery’s family has said he was out jogging, while the McMichaels, who are white, said they thought he was a burglar.

Johnson recused herself from the case days after the shooting. She noted that Gregory McMichael, a former Glynn County police officer, had been an investigator in her office for more than 30 years before he retired in May 2019.

Johnson now accused of "showing favor and affection to Greg McMichael during the investigation," according to the indictment document released Thursday. She also is alleged to have hindered two police officers "by directing that Travis McMichael should not be placed under arrest."