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Featured Contrary to Biblical History: Canaanites are alive and well

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sayak83, Jul 28, 2017.

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  1. Bob the Unbeliever

    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    your bible/torah/whatever "holey" book you think is god-inspired.
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Dr Richard Carrier, since it's obvious you are unable to work a computer without help....
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    I accept your admission you are incapable of reading anything and getting at the actual meaning.

    As such, you must live in a weird kind of fantasy-delusional existence, where NOTHING contradicts your puny world-views---- your obvious antiprocess filters out any and all such things.

    Must be nice. /end sarcasm
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Your links support my statement: The christian bible WOULD NOT EXIST without Constantine's Special Snowflake Committee creating it.

    Which pretty much proves to 100% that there is nothing godly about any of it.

    What sort of god would stoop so low? What sort of irresponsible deity would allow such a chaotic method to fabricate it's "Ultimate Message"?

    That is gross negligence beyond the pale-- and it was 300 years TOO LATE!
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Oh, the IRONY of someone who's entire World View is based on an irrational god-claim (faith)

    Complaining about someone who's worldview isn't faith-based.

    The amusement is without limit-- I'll be saving this one to share.
     
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    Strawman, much? Projecting something you WANT me to have said, instead of what I actually said.

    Nice.
     
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    Unfortunately for you? You cannot prove otherwise-- without Constantine pretty much building the bible, chrisitanity would have faded into the dustbin of history. (where it belongs)

    You forget an important aspect:

    Once Constantine had created the Official Christian Bible™? He then commanded people to follow only that version-- and no others allowed. Hence it's New Status as the Official Version.

    People who dared to contradict? Were put to the sword.

    Christianity was founded on people being forced to follow Constantine's New Bible-- or die.


    The only real difference between then and today? People are no longer murdered by swords, if they refuse to bow down to Constantine's Idol.
     
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    LMAO! Your "sources" was... WIKIPEDIA! Too funny!

    "universally accepted" <--- ONLY among god-infected, silly.
     
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    LOL! Another IRRATIONAL claim-- "Divine Providence"... too FUNNY!

    Your worldview cannot stand up to: "PROVE IT".

    Not since your silly religion's creation by Constantine himself.
     
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    Which only undermines YOUR claim!

    What sort of god would permit 45,000+ versions of Genuine Christianity™ to even exist separate and distinct from one another?

    It is as if there was nothing behind any of them-- no Central Authority to act as a Unifying Guide.

    Why is that, do you suppose? Why are there so many antagonistic brands of Genuine Christianity™ in the world today?

    What sort of irresponsible god would allow such an Important-with-a-I message to be created in such a chaotic and unbelievable way?
     
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    It is cute when the Irrational attempt to "council" someone who isn't.
     
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    Which pretty much proves to 100% that there was no god behind any of it's activities... doesn't it?
     
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    Is not that the Principle Function of all religion? To collect money from people--- especially those who are least able to afford parting with it in the first place?
     
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    Rather ruins 100% of your bible, this statement of yours, it does.

    Undermine your entire faith, you just did.

    hmmmmm....
     
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    You don't appear to be reading my posts, simply replying with pre-packaged cliches that make no sense in context.

    What do you think I 'WANT' you to have said? I can't imagine anything that would be more wrong than what you actually have said on the subject :D

    Again, you don't appear to be reading my words and thinking about context.

    "Almost universally accepted [among Christians]"

    Of course only Christians cared much about the NT scripture


    Now you are hallucinating, I didn't use any sources.

    I'll use the words of Bart Ehrman then seeing as he is not a Christian so you don't have to worry about him being 'silly and god infected':

    The formation of the canon started centuries before Constantine, and the establishment of the fourfold Gospel canon of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was virtually in place 150 years before his day. On the other hand, it is equally striking that even during Constantine’s day the matter was not brought to final resolution— not by him and not by the Council of Nicea, which he called (and which in fact did not deal with the matter of canon). This can be seen by the circumstance that not even Eusebius had a closed canon of scripture: the status of some books was still up for grabs. And so they would be for decades yet to come...

    So the canon was not finalized even by Constantine’s day, even though it was agreed among all “orthodox” Christians that the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were canonical scripture. Constantine had nothing to do with that decision...


    In fact, the first time that anyone we know of listed our books as the books of the New Testament (these twenty-seven and no others) came nearer to the end of the fourth century, some fifty years after Constantine’s death.


    Again, reading comprehension is not proving to be your forte.

    I was discussing you being embarrassingly wrong, not whether or not the NT is divinely inspired.

    For someone keen on reverting to saying everyone is 'projecting' and changing your words to reflect this (despite them replying to your exact words), you seem to be assuming quite a lot about me.

    Also, seeing as my profile clearly states my religion is 'none', are you saying that Constantine created both Christianity and irreligion? What a clever chap ;)

    No, as the above text from Ehrman shows my claim was perfectly correct.

    The claim you say is undermined is not one I ever made ;)

    I'm not sure the chap who just made several posts attacking an atheist's Christianity based on an imaginary premise is the best to talk about rationality :D
     
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    What is often so funny, but in a rather sadistic way, is that so many Protestants praise the Bible, but when you tell them that the canon was actually selected by the Catholic Church all you see is denial after denial of that historical reality. Luther had proposed dropping of four of the books as found today in the N.T., but eventually gave that up.

    See: Biblical canon - Wikipedia
     
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    Please quote the relevant sections.

    So either the Bible was miraculously given to the Church by Heaven on day one, or it's a total fabrication? False dichotomy much.

    Although the core texts of the 'Christian canon' had been near universally accepted from very early on it took centuries before the selection was more or less concrete. There was no Bible per se for the early Christians, rather they had the oral tradition passed down though the teaching authority of the bishops. The Church illuminated by Sacred Tradition selected the texts in accordance with that tradition. The Church doesn't derive its authority from the Bible, the Bible has authority because its texts were accepted as scripture by the authority of the Church. You (as do most Protestants) have it backwards.

    Again, everything you think you know is wrong.

    Jesus didn't leave us the Bible, He left us the Church. Matthew 16:18

    It was by the authority of the Church that certain texts (especially the Gospels and the epistles of Saint Paul) which had circulated in Christian circles for centuries should be collected and preserved as a canon of texts which the Church had come to believe was divinely inspired.

    Also note that the supposed chaos of the early scribal transmission of the New Testament is in fact a blessing. No one had control of these texts, combined with the fact that the New Testament is the most attested work of antiquity (no other work comes even close) we can be confident in the integrity of what we have today. We may not have the originals, but when you have a text so widely attested it doesn't matter.

    Islam by contrast has the worse situation. The Qur'an was controlled by the top down very early on, there is almost nothing to compare it to so you just have to take that one particular manuscript tradition at face value. The New Testament was bottom up, so while you may call it chaotic, it allows for far greater certainty that the texts have been faithfully preserved. God it seems, knows what He is doing.

    If you've been following so far (a big if) then you'll now understand why this isn't an argument at all.

    "But you're a Christian" isn't an argument. Condescension isn't an argument. Spamming the funny button and writing in caps isn't an argument. Lying about your own sources (or rather not even reading them) isn't an argument. Attempting to change your position halfway though a thread (as if no one would notice) isn't an argument. If you're just so much more rational than me why don't you start to show it?
     
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    It has been proven over and over that the Bible is the Word of God. Noone has ever proved that it is myth.
     
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    Because Rule 3 is a thing, guys, and it seems a bunch of people forgot.
     
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