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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by PopeADope, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    As an addition to my last post, let me just ask those who continue to support Trump some questions:

    If Trump committed adultery with your wife, would you still support him? if he groped your daughter? if he snuck in to see you teenage daughter changing while in a beauty contest? if he made fun of your wife by calling her “ugly”? or demeaning a close relative who may have physical handicaps? or bullying your son through name-calling? by assuming guilt of a close friend when he yells “Lock her up!”? by bragging about his penis size in front of your family? Etc.?

    Or is this OK as long as it’s not your daughter, or your son, or your wife, or your friend-- just someone else’s? Is that really what Jesus taught in your opinion? (I’m using “your” in a generic manner, so please don’t assume that I’m referring to anyone in particular here).

    Gandhi said “To cooperate with evil is evil”, and justifying Trump’s many actions and words that violate the most basic Christian teachings is nothing short of “evil”, imo. To not try and hold people, including ourselves, accountable for sins that hurt others is “evil”.
     
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    Sorry I am not addressing your whole message. This platform is not the place for long messages. I think PopeAdope’s OP was with respect to Luke 12, in which the conclusion was “sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out” (Luke 12:33) which is an off shoot of Matthew 19:21, in which was laid out the path to “perfection”, such as to “be complete”.


    At least you are not “judgmental”. I would hate for you to think I am mean and a bigot.

    As for the consequence of “hanging” onto the pope, Isaiah 22:25 points out that those hanging onto the heir of Peter, who has the keys of the house of David, and when “he opens no one can shut” (Isaiah 22:22), they will be “cut off”, “in that day”, which would correspond to the “day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31). A “day”, which is just “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

    As for Trump, versus your gods, Obama and Hillary, Trump has put America back to work, in spite of resistance from the deep state, and the media, and everyone is doing better, including the poor, whereas under Obama, we were on a slide to hell on earth. Not that hell on earth is still not “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

    As for your continueing your judgmental attitude towards Trump, as you judge others, so shall you be judged. Look at the bodies who have tried that same tactic, both in the deep state and in the media. The Hillerites can't trample each other fast enough to prove their righteousness. Kind of reminds me of a guy they call metis.Your ecumenical anthropology reeks of humanism.
     
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  3. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    We have been in a cooling cycle for at least the last 10 years. That is why they renamed global warming to "climate change". http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08...hange-is-cyclical-global-cooling-coming-soon/

    The # 1 leading charitiable country is Myanmar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37762753
     
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    You kind of miss the point. The Roman Catholics go to church on Sunday because their leader, Constantine, the Pontifex Maximus, decreed that the day of the sun, the day that honored his god Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest. Constantine, being the beast with two horns like a lamb, would relegate his Roman Catholic followers as those who worship the beast (Revelation 13:4) and therefore the “dragon” who is represented by the sun god “Sol Invictus”, and his symbol of the cross, which he gave to Constantine, in the year 312 AD at the battle of Milvian bridge. You fail to recognize you are wearing the mark of the beast, and those who wear the mark of the beast must drink the “wine of the wrath of God” (Revelation 14:10). Tick tock.



    Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)



    On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
     
  5. TheBannerofHomuraAkemi

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    Is Trump a Conservative? Yes he is. Is Trump a Christian? I find that how to believe. Since your such a big supporter of Trump could you enlightened me how Trump emulates Christ in his daily life?
     
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  6. 2ndpillar

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    The coming king is described as My Servant David (Ezekiel 37:24) & (Hosea 3:5) Was king David wealthy, did he have many wives, was he God's chosen? As for Trump being "Christian", and a follower of the false prophet Paul, I am not sure Trump has even read the Roman church canon of the NT. At the end of the age, the nations will grab the hem of a Jew, not a "Christian, and they will say "God is with you". (Zechariah 8:23) Apparently Trump is closer to Jews, such as his own daughter, than he is to "Christians", such as the Reverend Jackson, and others, such as yourself. The "many days" of the "adulteress", the "Christian" church, is coming to an end (Hosea 3:1-4). Your "Christian" church is the "flock doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:4-7), whose two shepherds/staffs are the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:17), and Paul (Zechariah 11:10) Judah and Jerusalem have been restored (Joel 3:1) "at that time". Now the only thing lacking is "I will gather all the nations" to the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2). Tick tock.
     
  7. TheBannerofHomuraAkemi

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    So your basically saying Trump isn't a Christian. I agree with that.
     
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    I am saying that Trump probably doesn't understand the doctrines behind his Presbyterian "Christianity". Like most people, he has assumed the cloak of his surroundings. Trump, as a child, was confirmed a Presbyterian, and I was confirmed a Catholic. One does not hold a child responsible for the sins of the parents (Jeremiah 31:30). If one is born of a Catholic family, such as Trump's wife, who was born in Slovenia, where more than 70 percent of the population identifies as Catholic, they assume that cloak, whether they understand it or not. On the other hand, some people like Obama, take on that cloak for political reasons. The day is coming when the "nations"/Gentiles will proclaim, "Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood" (Jeremiah 16:19). As for your judgmental "Christianity", I hope you are as pure as the driven snow, for as you judge others so shall you be judged.
     
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    Thanks for explaining your position. If I came off judgmental I apologize.I just wanted to know your position on the matter.

    I have another question that I would like you to answer. So if you think Trump is were the name of his christianity and doesn't really understand the doctrine behind it. Do you think that Christians who understand their own doctrine are okay to stand behind him and support him?
     
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    I don’t know of any “Christians”that have any idea of what they are into, or otherwise they would “come out of her”, and not have to “receive of her plagues”(Revelation 18:4). Your “Christians” are in general, looking forward “to drinking the wine of the wrath of God”(Revelation 14:10), as they are in general, all marked with the mark of the beast.

    As for Trump, he is against abortion, and he is for abiding by the law of the land. What is not to like? He has put people to work, he has improved their incomes, and he has appointed conservative judges. The people who do not support him live on the coast and in the cities. The “day of the LORD” is coming (Revelation 16:13-20), and the cities of the nations will “fall”. It kind of looks like that God is not too understanding of the lawless, who mostly live in the cities. Plus the islands and mountains seem to be in harms way also. I guess God didn’t like Hawaii keeping Obama’s birth certificate hidden. I would suggest that you not judge others, including Trump. It is the “survivors”, the “deplorable”, who elected Trump, and support him. It is the tares, which are harvested “first”, who do not support him. (Matthew 13:30). They will be placed with the hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), where there will be “weeping” and “gnashing of teeth”.
     
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    Birds are dinosaurs. That makes them awesome by default. :)

    Many people aren't as smart as ravens. Just saw a science article on my FB page that corvids are starting to eat poisonous cane toads in Australia, something even crocodiles can't eat. The figured out how the toads poison them and get around it by eating the other parts. How many people would die before figuring that out?

    Man will not live on prayers at all.

    Gotta get your carbs. :)

    Yup. Gotta go by Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, after all.

    Gods' into leather, apparently. I don't judge.

    There are now lots of unemployed people because companies took those perks and closed stores.

    None of which are traceable to Trump.

    Himself? Those solid gold toilet seats in his penthouse don't buy themselves.

    LOL, she moved out and won't be caught dead in the same car with him anymore because Trump liked Stormy Daniels more. Hopefully she'll leave that monster.

    He'd have to know what that is to enjoy it. Has spent more time at a golf club than at the White House.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. He has to spray paint himself just to keep from looking like a Cullen.

    Probably has a Prince John on the side as well.

    Trump believes EVERYONE is his inferior.

    Great! I don't mind being judged for not wanting to destroy the country to line my pockets. Funny me, I'd put the people first.

    How much do solid gold toilet seats feed?

    To be fair on this one, "broods of vipers", "whitewashed tombs", "dogs", and "fools" aren't exactly terms of endearment from our Holy Messiah.

    Not all of my possessions, but I frequently give to the point I have trouble paying my OWN bills. :)
     
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    Ok, so it's not solid gold. It's gold-plated. That's MUCH better.
     
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