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Conservatives & Their Penchant For Over-Regulation

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Aug 19, 2022.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Fortunately, a judge stands in the way of regulatory mischief.
    Federal judge temporarily blocks Florida 'Stop WOKE ACT'
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    A federal judge has granted an injunction temporarily blocking a key aspect of Florida’s new law that restricts workplaces from implementing “woke” training about race relations.

    In a 44-page decision filed on Thursday, Chief U.S. District Judge Mark Walker criticized the Stop WOKE Act as “bordering on unintelligible” and granted a temporary injunction, ruling that provisions of the law violate the First Amendment. The ruling comes less than two months after the law took effect, restricting what workplaces can implement in their employee training.

    COMPANIES SUE FLORIDA OVER ‘STOP WOKE ACT,’ ALLEGING FREE SPEECH VIOLATIONS

    “In the popular television series Stranger Things, the ‘upside down’ describes a parallel dimension containing a distorted version of our world,” Walker wrote, referencing the science fiction Netflix show. “Recently, Florida has seemed like a First Amendment upside down. Normally, the First Amendment bars the state from burdening speech, while private actors may burden speech freely. But in Florida, the First Amendment apparently bars private actors from burdening speech, while the state may burden speech freely.”

    The injunction halts the state from enforcing the Stop WOKE Act, which forbids companies from including eight concepts in their employee training, including ideas that promote critical race theory or suggestions that one “bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the individual played no part.”

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, signed the legislation in April, and the law took effect in July. Several businesses challenged the law, arguing the legislation violates their First Amendment rights and is too vague to enforce.
     
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  2. Debater Slayer

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    Between abortion bans, book bans, and now this, it is conspicuous that a subset of Republicans are far more interested in promoting their ideology than free speech, bodily autonomy, and personal rights despite their mantras to the contrary--except when it comes to hate speech, opposition to vaccination, and Christian dogma. Then those values seem to suddenly matter.
     
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  3. sun rise

    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    • First Amendment? Regulate speech to the max. Regulate non-Christian religion. Regulate non-right wing assembly.
    • Second: Absolutely no regulation
    • Nineth: Does not apply to liberal powers (SCOTUS is saying that).
    • Thirteenth: Slaves were not slaves but immigrants according to some on the right
    • Fourteenth: Get rid of birth citizenship
    • Fifteenth: Meh - it's to be ignored as we abridge the right to vote.
    • Seventeenth: It's time to get rid of it because people should not vote for Senators.
    • Twentyeth: We have the right to abridge the results if a Democrat is elected.
     
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    Since they aren't having much luck proselytizing, they have to resort to forcing people. Ugh.
     
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  5. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I have to say, I too object to the notion that someone "bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions in which the individual played no part." (The comma after "actions" was superfluous.)

    Certainly I think it appropriate to bear in mind that some people, based on race, religion and other things, were (and are still being) treated badly. And I certainly think that is something to bear in mind as we try to make the world better -- certainly I should bear it in mind so as to not be guilty of doing the same myself. But as I am NOT guilty of it, I am damned if I'm going to feel guilty for it.
     
  6. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Well, Republicans learned from the best. ;0]
     
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    The GOP was once the (unlikely) home for some libertarians. Are they still there?
     
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    "Freedom" = selfishness for a lot of Americans, now days. And selfishness means "we" get to control everything and everyone according to our 'righteous ideals'. Which of course isn't freedom at all. But no matter. They believe it and that's all that matters to them. Because everything is all about them. The advertisers and the politicians and the popular media all tell them so 24-7, and have been doing it all their lives.
     
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  9. Audie

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    Nonsense
     
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    They could have wrote it better.

    Instead of trying to regulate businesses, they could have added protections to prevent discrimination against those who disagree with any specific social training.
     
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    Usually, it's the Dems who are accused of over regulation, conservation regulations.
     
  12. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Libertarians might find home in either party,
    but always trying to sway them in the direction
    of libertarianism.
    I feel at home in the Libertarian Party.
    - Good philosophical fit.
    - Seldom every fielding a candidate who
    achieves power, they don't embarrass me.
    - Our mascot is a penguin.
    [​IMG]
     
  13. Revoltingest

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    Ironic, eh.
    Better to not write this bill at all.
     
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    I like what Governor DeSantis said the other day. “Florida is where woke goes to die”. It is great to see places standing up to the absolute lunacy and delusion.
     
  15. Revoltingest

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    And it's up to government to dictate what businesses
    can & cannot say to employees. Republicans...they
    become the party of minding the business of others.
    Democrats are fuming at this expropriation.
     
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    You're 100% wrong. Perhaps you don't or are not allowed to read American news media.
     
  17. Brickjectivity

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    It was a toothless law which any lawyer in the states would have known was toothless. Signing it into legislation was simply a lever to create the legal instability requiring courts to interpret how toothless it was. In other words this law was all a show, just a show. All talk. No do.
     
  18. Audie

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    I know phony when I see it.
    You take a piece of a fact and exaggerate it
    into something absurd.

    100%. Ha. As if.
     
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    Interesting law but hard to understand without reading the actual law, and that probably would not help understanding it.
    Any idea what "burden speech" means?
    I know in Australia the conservative (right wing) are less likely to bring in laws against freedom of speech. That whole area can quickly turn into laws pushing for the political correctness of the day I would think.
     
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    It seems like any objectionable "woke" training should already be covered by EEOC rules on racial/gender based disparagement/harassment.

    I.E. if your company tries to "train" me to believe I bear some racial or gender based responsibility for social ills or to be sorry for actions of others because of our shared race or gender; that should already be covered.
     
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