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conservative party accused of 'fundamental' failure" over islamaphobia

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by England my lionheart, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Shad

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    Yes... and? I was clarifying a statement I made which you took to mean something different.
     
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    Never intended to suggest that. It was clarification as my posts are being to mean something I never said such as post #105.
     
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    No it doesn't as it uses nonsensical criteria as per my secularist point. Ergo Muslims can be Islamophobic...

    Yes.

    Nope. Also I am an independent.

    Opposing policy and ideas as not a prejudice.


    Nope. It only takes a minor amount of intelligence to figure out. Try again.

    Sure.
     
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    I was discussing Islamophobes.
     
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    Islamophobia exists as described in the definition, in that it is perfectly adequate and accurate. There are cases where it can see it as a mockery but they are quote few (but media hyped by islamophobic press and perpetuated by islamophobes in an attempt to minimise and ridicule the seriousness of islamophobia)

    Really? I would like to see evidence rather than foot stomping.

    So whats your IQ?

    Glad you agree
     
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    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    Care to explain the discrepancy between your posts? 'Islamophobia' "in no way implies irrationality" in your first post but just over an hour later "its an irrational fear, so is fear of Islam".
     
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    Not when it include politics and an idea instead of just people

    The flip side is people scream Islamophobia over nothing.

    It is your burden to establish one can be prejudice against an idea as that is your claim not mine. I am backing the standard definition so here is a dictionary.

    Definition of prejudice | Dictionary.com

    Last time I was tested it was 121 when I finished grade 9 in 2 months when I was 14.

    You never actually thought about the identification issue at all.
     
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    In theory your IQ doesn't change with age.
     
  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Because i screwed up and apologised for my error, so burn me at the stake
     
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    You have a very narrow view of islam

    Some do, yes. As i said, these cases are hyped the hell out of while muslims being attacked are ignored.

    The definition exists, it is not me trying to decry that definition, it is you. Please done try shifting your problems onto me.

    And so you insinuate i have a low IQ? How sad.

    Dont tell me what i i thought of and i wont try reading your mind and getting it wrong. It is not the first time you have tried mind reading and failed, i would have thought you would learn from your mistakes.
     
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    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    Ah, I've just noticed your apology. Okay, at least we know where you stand. Sorry I didn't spot that before now.
     
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    Assumption as I never stated my view of Islam.

    I do not see that. I see attacks on Muslims more often in the new than people arguing about a false claim.

    Wrong. You said prejudice can include ideas. That is your burden to prove as the definition of prejudice does not include ideas. Try again.


    121 is in the level before genius and considered gifted. Try again. Beside you are the one that can't figure out how people misidentify others as Muslims while I have no issues figuring it out. So yes I do think you are not too bright if you can not figure that out.

    Okay then you have a low iq instead of putting no effort in. Again you couldn't figure a point out yourself while I had no issues.

    So low iq or a lack of effort. Pick one. Neither makes you look good. Again you were the one that couldn't figure out identification issues
     
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    Never said that. I stated my score when I was tested which was at 14. Now go look at the point that was being made about identification issues. If people can not figure this out they are not too bright or put no effort in.
     
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    Why take the hump!
    No need to call me dumb.
    I made a point, why quote your age?

    Chill out
     
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    I didn't call you dumb. I said go look at the point I was making about identification issues. It is easy to figure out how people misidentify non-Muslims as Muslims. For example Sikhs and some Muslims wear similar clothing. It is the assumption that the clothing is "Muslim" rather than Arab or Sikh. Beards, turbans, etc. All based on an Arab stereotype. It isn't rocket surgery.

    I quoted the age I was when I had the IQ test. It was part of the school administration's evaluation in order for me to challenge the finals. It is the most recent IQ test I had so the only one I could reference.

    The issue with IQ not changing is that the tests for IQ do change. You could take a number of IQ tests resulting in different scores. Anxiety can lower a score with does not reflect actual intelligence but a mental issue which hamper the test's evaluation as the test never considers other factors.
     
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    In America we settle for "bite me". :D
     
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    You state your view on islam regularly.

    There ya go.

    Again .it is not me dissing the definition

    You made a statement, i responded to your statement. With an IQ like that you would think it would be quite easy for you to work out.

    I never said i cant figure it out, i said (in effect) who knows the mind of the abuser. Think on that

    FYI, i have taken 4 IQ tests and although the results are each slightly different they all beat yours. And i have had enough of your condescending insults based on deliberate ignorance. Goodbye
     
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    The guy is so full of himself he is blind to reality
     
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    Unfortunately that problem is only going to get a lot worse now that people like the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims have agreed such a flawed definition.

    Going by their definition standing up against Islamic homophobia is racist because said homophobia is founded in Islamic belief & cultural norms - therefore it can legitimately be considered an expression of Muslimness.

    I don't agree that these cases are "hyped the hell out of". They're cases of Muslims & other Islamophiles doing exactly what we have been saying they would do from the beginning: taking advantage of the deliberately vague definition of 'Islamophobia' to shut down debate and legitimate concerns re: Islam & Islamism by tarring those concerns with the same brush as xenophobia and racism.

    Attacks on Muslims are brought up in the media quite frequently. What is hardly being talked about is the fact Birmingham Muslims are trying to a) force their beliefs on everyone else - by trying to get No Outsiders stopped across England because it contradicts Islam; b) bring their beliefs into the political sphere which essentially is Islamism.

    Many on the Left are disturbingly silent on this issue. It feels like the more regressive elements of the Left have decided to leave LGBTs to fend for themselves rather than risk being called 'Islamophobic' for daring to take the side of reason.
     
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    islamophobia is bigger than britain and i repeat, it is not a flawed definition, but there are abuses.
     
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