Road Warrior
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The term is anti-semitism not "Jewphobia". I think the antisemitic assclowns hate both Jews and Judaism.
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Road Warrior
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Correct. Anti-Muslim would be the more correct term. "Islamophobia" is, IMHO, an emotionally-based political term. Is a person who believes in a strong Federal government a Federalist or fascist authoritarian? One is more accurate than the other.
Cooky
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Precisely, except there's nuch more irrational criticism against Jews than there is against the Jewish religion... That's why there is no "Jewphobia", just Anti-Semitism.
Point being, people who hate Jews (the people) are worse than those who hate Islam, the religion / ideology.
...Because one is a person, the other just a thing. "Anti's" being worse than "phobes"
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Shadow Wolf
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The same behaviors are being described; bickering over the word to describe it. Anti-Muslim, Islamophobic, its the same behavior. Getting caught up in it creates apologetics on both ends. Prejudice is prejudice. Renouncing one word or another isn't a "real world" issue or problem.
Cooky
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That's the simplest, most reductionist way of thinking about it.
...I'm more complex than that.
Road Warrior
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You don't think those who hate Islam don't hate Muslims? Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Why did Trump want to ban Muslims, not just the religion?
IMHO, any form of hate is wrong. It's human to become angry, but hate is a long and destructive thing.
Shadow Wolf
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Theres no reason to be more complex. Hate is hate. We really just need to go back to calling people bigots and ********.
Shad
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Did you read this?
Islam as a political force.... What a nonsensical definition. By definition all secularist are Islamophobic regardless of the religion they follow, including Islam.
Road Warrior
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Haters gonna hate. IMO, it's irrational to rationalize with irrational people. Haters are irrational. There is no trying to understand them. They just need to hate for one reason or another. If a person wants to hate, they'll do so. That, IMO, is an internal mental disorder. Usually a reaction to frustration and feelings of personal failure.
Cooky
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It's just not true... For instance, it is worse to hate another human being than it is to hate, for example, a pair of shoes.
...All hate is not equal.
Road Warrior
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A person who hates shoes has a lot more problems than someone who prefers one pair of shoes over another. Hate, IMO, is irrational.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I've never met another person who just hates everything like that. It would certainly be a mental disorder of some kind if one did.
Cooky
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It's still worse to hate a person than a pair of shoes though.
Shadow Wolf
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Yeah, we arent talking about shoes.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Most people don't hate everything. The ones I've seen focus on one thing be it Jews, Blacks or Muslims. Agreed it's a mental disorder. IMO, usually based on feelings of failure and seeking to blame it on someone other than themselves.
Road Warrior
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No kidding.
Cooky
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Yes, we're talking about Islam. And it's okay to 'be against' Islam.
I, for one, am against it.
Road Warrior
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Me too. Islamic terrorism is a problem, but it's a few thousand assclowns against 1.9 Billion Muslims. Most whom the assclowns murder are their fellow Muslims who don't agree with the radical version. Of course they also take out Infidels too.
Hate is wrong. It's destructive.
Shadow Wolf
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As am I. But the difference between "phobia" and "not phobia" does tend to boil down to reasons and how you treat people. Pointing to an Abrahamic text and criticizing it is valid (and not hate), believing all Abrahamics condine slavery isn't.
Road Warrior
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Fear is a common human frailty. Fear of the Unknown is the greatest fear of all. Are Muslims dangerous? No. Are radical Muslims dangerous, f**k yeah! We need the help of the world's 1.9 Billion Muslims to stop the 1% who are assclowns. Fearing all is just sheer stupidity.