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conservative party accused of 'fundamental' failure" over islamaphobia

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by England my lionheart, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. icehorse

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    Oh you're talking of much more recent events. The UDHR was written back in the late 40s and the Cairo Declaration was written in 1990.
     
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    I do not see a compromise just bloc voting and the weak UN.
     
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    Yes. I thought we were talking about it as per post #177.
     
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    Sure. I was going along the same lines that election of a figure does not mean race issues are now "solved" but can be made worse due to projection and expectations. The election or figure becomes a distraction.


    Well the problem is the structure via the quota system and bloc voting. People have called foul before but the GA is a joke.


    Pretty much.
     
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    From an impartial position, it seems the Tories are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    When a group continually take offence and play the victim at every opportunity the easy thing to do is to submit to their demands.

    The more we submit, the more we will be expected to submit.

    The Labour party are an example of this.
     
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    Not really. Any party which does not purge problematic members is going to get flack. GOP gets flack because it separates candidacy and membership from funding. Hence why some white supremacist ran as the GOP ticket but was denied GOP funding in a district election. Hence Trump's populism in the GOP nomination. Dems get flack for the Dixiecrats and the socialist members.
     
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    Is a problematic member someone that is deemed to be an Islamophobe?
     
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    With so many nations involved it is a compromise; you may see it as weak. But that is necessary to keep nations talking; dictating leads to conflict and possibly war. Look at Iran now.
     
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    Is it possible to have a rational conversation with Iran?
     
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    Nope as the other side gave up nothing for those seats.

    Iran has attacked two tankers in international waters (my opinion). That is a declaration of war.

     
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    Not merely deemed but demonstrated so. This prevent the ad hominem use of the term and political spin like Trump's travel ban. Hence my examples which are unquestionable examples
     
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    But (if it has) what stirred it up with Iran to make them attack?.
     
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    It does not like sanctions.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Japan and Norway are not the nations creating the sanctions hence the attack is to upset global oil markets. Attacking targets that will never fight back, Norway and Japan, is easier than attacking the US. This was the same tactics used in the 80s by Iran.
     
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    But who has most to lose? They are rocking the boat (sorry) in retaliation
     
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    This is not an argument. Apply your point to Hamas. It fails.
     
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    It is just coincidence then that sanctions = Iranian attack
     
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    Nope considering Iran threatened transit in the strait weeks ago, last year, the year before that. It is the only military tactic Iran has that can cause any real damage for a short period of time.
     
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