wellwisher
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I discussed consciousness and entropy in a previous discussion that can be found below. I thought I would use that as the discussion of consciousness and entropy and then jump to the connection of consciousness and entropy to water.
Does any supernatural god exist?
If you look at consciousness it is not structured the same way as our memory. Consciousness is far more fluid. If you had amnesia, and could not remember anything, you can still be conscious. You may have to reinvent yourself by making new memory from scratch so you have long term memory and not just sensory induced short term memory. As we get older we forget details, but don't go unconscious, unless we let pride get in the way.
Computers store lots of structural memory, but they are not conscious. Consciousness and structural memory are connected, but they are also independent. This allows us to willfully alter memory. The more fluid and even the fountain analogy nature of consciousness, brings us back to the discussion of cationic pumping and exchange by neurons, entropy, consciousness but now as a function of the water; the fluid phase of consciousness.
In the liquid form, water forms hydrogen bonds with other water, while sodium and potassium ions in water, are able to tweak the extended hydrogen bonding matrix of water. This extends the hydrogen bonding range of the water; amplifies the water's range. Water is why nature selected these two cations.
Sodium ions are, kosmotropic. They create more order in water, than pure water creates for itself. This has to do with the small Na+ ion, electron withdrawing from the oxygen of water, more than a hydrogen bond, thereby amplify all the hydrogen bonding, via oxygen, to compensate. This extends the size of water structures. This extra order in water, created by sodium ions, by collecting sodium ions outside the neuron, makes the water outside the neuron increase its entropic potential; too ordered. Charging up the outside water, is a large part of the reason it takes so much energy expenditure; 90% of the neuron energy budget. Water is resisting this and the neuron has to fight this resistance and does so with lots of extra energy.
Potassium ions in water do the opposite and are called chaotic. They bind weaker to water, than pure water, can hydrogen bond with itself. The potassium ions creates more disorder in water, than water will create with itself, if potassium ions were not there. Potassium is larger than sodium and its positive charge is more distant and shielded, so it cannot compete as well with the stronger hydrogen bonds of water, but it can disrupt them. This extra chaos or entropy within the water, inside the neuron, is useful for softening organic structures; water and oil effect is not quite as strict. This makes synthesis easier on a global scale. This also takes a lot of energy to sustain.
With inside and outside the neuron having different entropic water potentials, we have created an entropic potential, in the water, across the neuron membrane. One effect is the hydrated potassium ions, which decrease the order in water, can become smaller; less extended water structure. Sodium is the opposite, with larger water structuring, due to the extra order it creates in the water. The net effect is potassium ions can and will leak outside to partially lower the ionic and entropic gradients. This decreases the inside positive charge and increases the outside positive charge; membrane potential. The membrane potential is only a small fraction of the stored water and ionic entropic potential; step down. There is still plenty of extra entropic potential in the water, both inside and outside.
With extra cations outside: mostly sodium and some potassium, the entropic potential can lower further, through osmosis. This helps to create the neuron branches out of the neuron body; toward the zone of extra cations. This entropic gradient is also used to power the transport protein. These are happening while we are still rolling the big rock up the hill and before the neuron fires, for the main discharge of potential.
When neuron fire and the two cations, spontaneously exchange to lower the potential; 2nd law, to form a more uniform solution of higher entropy, the equilibrium tide changes for the organics. The water induced structures outside the neurons, now see potassium, and thereby loosen; add complexity. The inside structures see the sodium and they pucker up into another equilibrium shape; structural memory. This forms a cyclic correspondence between inside and outside; DNA and neuron branches.
Does any supernatural god exist?
If you look at consciousness it is not structured the same way as our memory. Consciousness is far more fluid. If you had amnesia, and could not remember anything, you can still be conscious. You may have to reinvent yourself by making new memory from scratch so you have long term memory and not just sensory induced short term memory. As we get older we forget details, but don't go unconscious, unless we let pride get in the way.
Computers store lots of structural memory, but they are not conscious. Consciousness and structural memory are connected, but they are also independent. This allows us to willfully alter memory. The more fluid and even the fountain analogy nature of consciousness, brings us back to the discussion of cationic pumping and exchange by neurons, entropy, consciousness but now as a function of the water; the fluid phase of consciousness.
In the liquid form, water forms hydrogen bonds with other water, while sodium and potassium ions in water, are able to tweak the extended hydrogen bonding matrix of water. This extends the hydrogen bonding range of the water; amplifies the water's range. Water is why nature selected these two cations.
Sodium ions are, kosmotropic. They create more order in water, than pure water creates for itself. This has to do with the small Na+ ion, electron withdrawing from the oxygen of water, more than a hydrogen bond, thereby amplify all the hydrogen bonding, via oxygen, to compensate. This extends the size of water structures. This extra order in water, created by sodium ions, by collecting sodium ions outside the neuron, makes the water outside the neuron increase its entropic potential; too ordered. Charging up the outside water, is a large part of the reason it takes so much energy expenditure; 90% of the neuron energy budget. Water is resisting this and the neuron has to fight this resistance and does so with lots of extra energy.
Potassium ions in water do the opposite and are called chaotic. They bind weaker to water, than pure water, can hydrogen bond with itself. The potassium ions creates more disorder in water, than water will create with itself, if potassium ions were not there. Potassium is larger than sodium and its positive charge is more distant and shielded, so it cannot compete as well with the stronger hydrogen bonds of water, but it can disrupt them. This extra chaos or entropy within the water, inside the neuron, is useful for softening organic structures; water and oil effect is not quite as strict. This makes synthesis easier on a global scale. This also takes a lot of energy to sustain.
With inside and outside the neuron having different entropic water potentials, we have created an entropic potential, in the water, across the neuron membrane. One effect is the hydrated potassium ions, which decrease the order in water, can become smaller; less extended water structure. Sodium is the opposite, with larger water structuring, due to the extra order it creates in the water. The net effect is potassium ions can and will leak outside to partially lower the ionic and entropic gradients. This decreases the inside positive charge and increases the outside positive charge; membrane potential. The membrane potential is only a small fraction of the stored water and ionic entropic potential; step down. There is still plenty of extra entropic potential in the water, both inside and outside.
With extra cations outside: mostly sodium and some potassium, the entropic potential can lower further, through osmosis. This helps to create the neuron branches out of the neuron body; toward the zone of extra cations. This entropic gradient is also used to power the transport protein. These are happening while we are still rolling the big rock up the hill and before the neuron fires, for the main discharge of potential.
When neuron fire and the two cations, spontaneously exchange to lower the potential; 2nd law, to form a more uniform solution of higher entropy, the equilibrium tide changes for the organics. The water induced structures outside the neurons, now see potassium, and thereby loosen; add complexity. The inside structures see the sodium and they pucker up into another equilibrium shape; structural memory. This forms a cyclic correspondence between inside and outside; DNA and neuron branches.