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Featured Consciousness Collapses In On Itself At Death?

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by kyjds, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. kyjds

    kyjds Julius the Jules

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    I have coined a term out of a lack of a better word, Conscapsis, which means that when a person dies from brain death, their consciousness collapses in on itself, just like how a super massive star collapses in on itself into a black hole.

    This, as a Deist, is what I believe about the afterlife. But, beyond Conscapsis, I have no idea what happens at the singularity of this collapsed energy of consciousness.

    In your honest opinion, what would happen to the conscious mind after Conscapsis, if my theory is true?
     
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  2. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    What is consciousness?
    How can that "collapse in on itself, just like how a super massive star collapses in on itself into a black hole?" That would seem to imply consciousness is a highly excited state of 'matter'? Subject to 'gravity'?
     
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    Conscious mind, as in thoughts, would cease to exist. I had a light-bulb thought in another thread that thoughts are electrical impulses and, like 001100 to a computer, each impulse/neuron carries information. However we philosophize the information is just 1s and 0s to our brain. If we become brain dead, the neurons do not have information to send anymore because nothing is coming in or out. I came up with this based on what we can pick up on thoughts on EEGs, how we can change our thoughts based on meditation, help suicidal thoughts by medication, and so forth.

    So, when we are brain dead, we are dead-no awareness and information comes in and out. Once clinically dead, why would we think we'd have knowledge of anything if it is outside of our conscious? That is like saying my grandmother (if I didn't believe in spirits) knows what I think even though her physical body (which includes thoughts) have deceased.

    Energy after the "collapse" goes with other forms of energy in a cycle. It "goes no where" but a part of a whole since everything is made up of energy.

    Anything more we add to life like what will happen in the afterlife to whether we were held down by spirits are subject to interpretation but best left outside the realm of science and kept with personal experiences.
     
  4. kyjds

    kyjds Julius the Jules

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    To clarify, I believe that our consciousness is in its own dimension, and at the same time our consciousness is our spirit.

    The way my theory of Conscapsis came about was through a very vivid dream I had during REM sleep. The dream was very brief, and I dreamed that I was very paranoid and delusional. I believed that the world was going to end, also I was hallucinating. So, when I was convinced that my hallucinations were real, I shot myself in the head. I felt my body dying, just like the accidental overdose I had in real life in 2009, where I went into clinical death, but this dream was different! When I was just going into brain death, I felt my consciousness collapsing, almost like it was creating a singularity, but I woke up before my dream brain died completely.
     
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    IMO Consciousness is the foundation from which all other things emanate, including the mental body and physical body.
     
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  6. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    I voted 'No' on the Conscapsis theory.

    I think masters of the eastern/Indian tradition are ahead of us on such questions. Consciousness just temporarily incarnates a physical body and then discards the body when it dies. No collapse but an expansion from the limitations of the physical body.
     
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  7. beenherebeforeagain

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    Ah! in that case, I have no idea.
     
  8. 1137

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    I personally think consciousness dissipates or is immortalized at death.
     
  9. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I've been blind seven days....didn't stop seeing
    know my limbs to be unresponsive.....didn't stop feeling

    we surrender our awareness every time we sleep
    does that mean we cease to think and dream?

    7billion people will die within my life time
    I expect to be busy.....for a long time
     
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  10. SalixIncendium

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    I voted no.

    I am not of the belief underlined above. I believe that conscious mind and "consciousness" of our spirit are two separate things entirely. The conscious mind dies with the body.

    For clarification, allow me to use the analogy of a driver and a car. In my view, the spirit or "spiritual consciousness" or life energy is represented by the driver of the car. The car itself represents one's body. The carburetor represents the cerebrum, where consciousness exists, and the engine represents the mind's consciousness.

    Once the carburetor fails, the there is no longer a means for the engine to produce energy. The engine, and therefore the car, is dead. But the driver can simply get out of the car, get into another, and drive away.

    If any of that made sense to anyone but me, to summarize, I do not see the mental consciousness and imploding. It simply ends. However, spiritual consciousness (life energy) continues on after the body (and mental consciousness) dies.
     
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    I voted no, since I am not a substance dualist. To me consciousness dissipates upon death as it is a function of a living brain, abstracted much like data on a computer. Death of the hard drive equals death of the data.
     
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  12. The Adept

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    Lights off, game over. Shouldn't there usually be a tunnel?
     
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  13. 1137

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    Substance dualism is not the only position that allows for continued existence past death. As far as hard drives, there are numerous ways I can keep data alive past my HD's death. I've done so over several phones and laptops.
     
  14. Thief

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    that is an illusion
    it is real enough as the lack of flowing blood shuts down your vision
    the peripheral fades to black
    the field of vision shrinks to center line of sight
     
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    I agree, on another physical platform. If there are no physical platforms, there's no more data. We could talk about, and I'd love to talk about, transhumanism and digital humans and what that might look like, but I doubt that's what you're going for haha.
     
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    there will also be a loud ringing in your ears
    again that loss of blood flow
    the ringing will increase....very loud
    and then fade to a silence you have never heard before

    ask not for whom the bell tolls.........it tolls for thee
     
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    you will feel cold....no blanket can help you

    the capillaries of your arms and legs will close.....forcing blood to the torso
    it will prove to be futile

    the chill will increase until the ability to move is lost
    numbness takes away the chill
     
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    I read that description with interest, because it so accurately corresponds to the onset effects of the dissociative anaesthetic ketamine.
    The effect, neurologically, coincides with the shutting down of the frontal lobe - in fact most activity apart from the deep limbic system.
    In clinical trials not involving surgery, 80% of subjects reported some kind of interaction with a 'higher being', either God, an angel or an alien encounter. Many subjects seem delighted to discover, in the few seconds before dissociative anaesthesia is complete, "Oh my god, I can't die...".
    During onset, there is often reported a kind of absorption into vortex referred to by illicit users as the K-hole into which consciousness seems to disappear like light into a black hole. The K-hole is the portal to K-space, which is described, by those who remember anything, as being completely awake yet devoid of any sense of I or it. No time, space or identity - yet still rich with qualities and pervaded by an unearthly wisdom.
    The experience is very similar to reports of NDEs.

    Whether this is purely the subjective experience of a specific neurophysical state, I don't know.
    However, it does suggest to me that many, if not all, altered states are at root neurophysical events.
    These events, which are real experiences to those who report them, are then rendered as conceptual frameworks by those who are influenced by the charisma of the visionary or whatever, and become beliefs.
    Hmmm, wandered off topic a little, but I hope that's food for thought. :)
     
  19. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Is this your third screen name on this forum?
     
  20. Thief

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    I have seen an anesthesiologist interviewed about this very topic
    He finds it fascinating how chemistry can separate the awareness from the body
    if not...shock and pain will kill the patient under surgery

    he has no explanation

    I find it remarkable the notation of sleep while a rib is removed from a man.....in Genesis
     
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