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Congresswoman Tlaib incoherent on BDS defense

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by icehorse, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. sooda

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    The started by demonizing them the way the Nazis had demonized them.. and claimed they were going to turn them into slaves and take over Palestine.

    Most of them were socialists or Bolsheviks.

    Zionism in Palestine - The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1930/10/zionism-in-palestine/306754
    Zionism in Palestine. The war gave to both Arab and Jew fresh titles and fresh claims. In 1915, the Arabs obtained Allied recognition of the independence of all Arab Provinces within the then Ottoman Empire. Again, after the final overthrow of the Turks in 1918, the Allied victory was proclaimed not as a …
     
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    No contiguous land for a Palestinian state. The Israelis have built on every hilltop and pump their raw sewage down hill on to the Palestinians.

    That's pretty much ruined the aquifers.

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  3. Ellen Brown

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    In my own experience, the Jews are mostly indignant and combative, and leave me feeling less than.
     
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    An interesting article from back in the day, thanks. Essentially a clash of cultures. The more "civilized" and educated the more the feeling of superiority.

    At least the Zionists didn´t use genocide as a result of this alleged superiority.

    Those of European ancestry attempted to eradicate the Ńative Americans, and the Aboriginal peoples in Australia, because of this sense of superiority.
     
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    I only remember the West bank being separated from the other territories in the agreement.
     
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    The Zionists destroy over 300 villages and drove those families out of Palestine. In 1967 they destroyed over 60 Druze villages in the Golan.

    They also took Shaaba Farms from the Lebanese.
     
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    Weren´t these a result of war ?
     
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    Read Moshe Dayan.. They planned the war from the 1950 on .. He lists the constant provocations and small massacres they used to try to force a war.. Ultimately they attacked Egypt while most Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen.
     
  9. Ellen Brown

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    You are the first person I have seen to say that. I am half Cherokee, or Apache, and late in life have read a lot about the Navajo. Though Cherokee were along the east coast, today they seem based in eastern Oklahoma owing to the actions of the American government in the 1830's. It almost seems that Oklahoma and New Mexico were sort of dumping grounds for the indigenous populations.

    I've tried to establish contact with the Cherokee but they seem sick of people saying they are Cherokee to get a handout. A man had kindly explored my family history and he found record of my father being born, but nothing since.

    They did a shameful genocide with the Native Peoples.
     
  10. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I've seen a lot of that, from a lot of people who have been "steeped" in whatever untestable beliefs, concepts and cultural and religious "truths." And I've seen how often, without being able to articulate solid arguments for their own pet hates, look just as much like hate-filled bozos.
     
  11. shmogie

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    I guess having pet hates is the tip off. What are your pet hates ?
     
  12. Ellen Brown

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    I was raised in a hateful, racist family that looked down on anyone who was not like them, from Hispanics, to Blacks, to Indians to Asians... I was sickened by it from an early age. Late in life I find that I am as much as one half Cherokee. Recently found that it could be Apache... though I feel drawn to Navajo. Many Native Americans are what the white man calls Animists, though I do not fully understand what that might fully entail.

    Often I feel a sort of "Generational Guilt" about that, though I do not practice it myself. I'd participate in social activism but my own situation puts me firmly on the outside.
     
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