Confession about free exercise of religion

[shunyadragon]

So, are you saying there are places where they opened up religious services and prohibited alcohol sales?

Yes, religious services have never, I mean never, prohibited due to the open sale of alcohol and pot in the market, but yes Blue Laws are still common that prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays or Sunday mornings.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Yes, religious services have never, I mean never, prohibited due to the open sale of alcohol and pot in the market, but yes Blue Laws are still common that prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays or Sunday mornings.

Not sure from your grammar what you meant. Were religious services generally allowed before or after alcohol, pot and casino establishments?

Those blue laws are probably just encouraging the alcoholics to go to Church on Sunday to help them with their vices.

 

[shunyadragon]

Not sure from your grammar what you meant. Were religious services generally allowed before or after alcohol, pot and casino establishments?

Church service were in the past and now never prohibited while alochol was sold or served, nor while casinos were operating.

No problem with grammar.

Those blue laws are probably just encouraging the alcoholics to go to Church on Sunday to help them with their vices.

No, Blue Laws were established to prohibit alsohol sales on Sundays and Sunday mornings when tradtional church services occur.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm reopening this topic because it was pointed out to me that religions were denied having services while alcohol and weed stores were open and casinos and crap.

I'm not sure where you are, but here in Ontario, churches are open at 30% capacity. Casinos are allowed to open, but with a maximum capacity of 50 gamblers in the whole facility, so the casino near me has just stayed closed.

 

[Heyo]

Disagree. Maybe in a museum.

I'm with @IndigoChild5559 on this one. I don't think it should be displayed but I don't think it should be banned as a part of a display of legal documents. Putting the 10 commandments together with Roman laws, the Magna Carta and the Code Civil 1. emphasises the legal aspect and 2. doesn't show recognition or endorsement of a single religion. It would be save under the First Amendment.

 

[Heyo]

Church service were in the past and now never prohibited while alochol was sold or served, nor while casinos were operating.

No problem with grammar.

[quote[ Those blue laws are probably just encouraging the alcoholics to go to Church on Sunday to help them with their vices.

No, Blue Laws were established to prohibit alsohol sales on Sundays and Sunday mornings when tradtional church services occur.[/QUOTE]
There have been restrictions due to the pandemic in Nevada that favoured casinos over churches. But that was a shot from the hip and such things are only to be expected given how bad some laws can be even if lawmaker have time to make them.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Pointed out by whom? There is no such restriction on church service, but in some places the reverse is true, Blue Laws are still in existence where State Law prohibits sales of alcohol on Sunday and in some places Sunday mornings, but fortunately these laws are being removed over time.

Need references and further clarification, and not 'it was pointed out to me.'

Here in southern california, we are on lockdown. only "essential" businesses may sstay open. Back in march or apriel, all religious services in person were shut down by that. However, it is true that liquor stores and marijuana dispensories stay open. I was not the "informant," but I can back up what they said.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm with @IndigoChild5559 on this one. I don't think it should be displayed but I don't think it should be banned as a part of a display of legal documents. Putting the 10 commandments together with Roman laws, the Magna Carta and the Code Civil 1. emphasises the legal aspect and 2. doesn't show recognition or endorsement of a single religion. It would be save under the First Amendment.

If you want to put up a display of Bible passages that have influenced Western laws, Exodus 22:18 and 1 Timothy 2:12 probably have more claim to be there than the Ten Commandments do.

 

[shunyadragon]

Here in southern california, we are on lockdown. only "essential" businesses may sstay open. Back in march or apriel, all religious services in person were shut down by that. However, it is true that liquor stores and marijuana dispensories stay open. I was not the "informant," but I can back up what they said.

. . . but these closing and limits on churches and businesses are not related in the manner that @robocop (actually), which is that churches were closed, because the alcohol, pot stores, and casinos were open. His statements have nothing to do with the efforts to control the spread of COVID-19.

 

[shunyadragon]

No, Blue Laws were established to prohibit alsohol sales on Sundays and Sunday mornings when tradtional church services occur.

Saying no to a true statement that we agree on does not make sense.

There have been restrictions due to the pandemic in Nevada that favoured casinos over churches. But that was a shot from the hip and such things are only to be expected given how bad some laws can be even if lawmaker have time to make them.

. . . but these closing and limits on churches and businesses are not related in the manner that @robocop (actually) claimed, which is that churches were closed, because the alcohol, pot stores, and casinos were open. His statements have nothing to do with the efforts to control the spread of COVID-19.

COVID-19 restrictions were to prevent crowds in places with gatherings. Churches, because of enclosed crowds with singing and communal prayer have been major causes of the spread of COVID-19. You cannot make the comparison. because the different businesses and institutions are under different restrictions to pervent crowding. Casinos are limited to how many people can enter and masks and social distancing is enforced. Store are restricted in a similar way.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Don't mistake liquor stores for bars. Churches and bars, and restaurants have a common risk element in regard to Covid that liquor stores, grocery stores etc. don't have: large groups indoors together for long periods of time, usually accompanied by loud talk or singing which can project the virus loaded saliva or aerosols larger distances.

In the UK, the health ministry was suggesting the greatest chance of virus transmission occurred indoors when people were not masked and within 2 meters for more than 15 minutes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jewish is an ethnicity. One does not chose one's ethnicity. Marrying a member of the same sex is a choice, a behavior, not a state of being.

That's a dumb argument because you can use it against interracial and interreligious marriage, too, as no marriage is "a state of being".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not coming down on anyone for BEING gay. The question is rather should they engage in gay sex, which is a behavior, not a state of being.

Gay relationships and marriage are legal, so it doesn't matter what someone's personal opinion on it is. Gay people have rights and one of those rights is equal access to services.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I talked to a Ph. D in Medium Physics from MIT. He said he sees Christians and Jews getting attacked a lot and that there were times when a Church could be just as safe as say an alcohol bar but they only opened the latter.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I talked to a Ph. D in Medium Physics from MIT. He said he sees Christians and Jews getting attacked a lot and that there were times when a Church could be just as safe as say an alcohol bar but they only opened the latter.

This is known as an appeal to authority. What credibility does a Ph. D in Physics have when compared to someone who has a Ph. D in Epidemiology?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I talked to a Ph. D in Medium Physics from MIT. He said he sees Christians and Jews getting attacked a lot and that there were times when a Church could be just as safe as say an alcohol bar but they only opened the latter.

Churches are allowed to open in my state but many have voluntarily remained closed. The only time churches are forced to be closed is if there's a shutdown, which would include bars and restaurants or during the early part of a phased reopening.

 

[robocop (actually)]

This is known as an appeal to authority. What credibility does a Ph. D in Physics have when compared to someone who has a Ph. D in Epidemiology?

Churches are allowed to open in my state but many have voluntarily remained closed. The only time churches are forced to be closed is if there's a shutdown, which would include bars and restaurants or during the early part of a phased reopening.

Well, if other people don't speak up about it I won't know!

 

[shunyadragon]

I talked to a Ph. D in Medium Physics from MIT. He said he sees Christians and Jews getting attacked a lot and that there were times when a Church could be just as safe as say an alcohol bar but they only opened the latter.

This is far to anecdotal to accepted without references. Are you sure the Medium was not a fortune teller with a crystal ball or a ouiji board.

Again as before it is 'hearsay' without references..

 

[Heyo]

Saying no to a true statement that we agree on does not make sense.

I didn't say that. But I botched the brackets so that it seemed I did.
(Just looked, I didn't botch the brackets. They were broken before.)

. . . but these closing and limits on churches and businesses are not related in the manner that @robocop (actually), which is that churches were closed, because the alcohol, pot stores, and casinos were open. His statements have nothing to do with the efforts to control the spread of COVID-19.

I didn't respond to robocop, only to your claim that church services were never restricted while liqure stores were not.

COVID-19 restrictions were to prevent crowds in places with gatherings. Churches, because of enclosed crowds with singing and communal prayer have been major causes of the spread of COVID-19. You cannot make the comparison. because the different businesses and institutions are under different restrictions to pervent crowding. Casinos are limited to how many people can enter and masks and social distancing is enforced. Store are restricted in a similar way.

I think the comparison is valid.

 

[robocop (actually)]

This is far to anecdotal to accepted without references. Are you sure the Medium was not a fortune teller with a crystal ball or a ouiji board.

Again as before it is 'hearsay' without references..

Well some people have told me that they've seen firsthand attacks on Jews and Christians.