Confession about free exercise of religion

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's not the problem here. The problem is with your assumption that jews do not continue to suffer discrimintion and antisemitic attacks.

I had trouble believing that you could twist "it's now generally accepted that Jews deserve basic human rights" into "the rights of Jews are never violated."


... but then I remember that you also twist "a doctor should either do the job they freely chose or find another job" into "doctors are being forced to perform abortions" and I realize that this is just par for the course.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You mean, the policies of burning bridges, lying through ones teeth, undoing all of the great work of the past 20 years, completely ignoring and lying about Covid19, making America irrelevant on the international scene and handing over the torch to countries like China to become the new superpower leader of the world?


Also, kind of hilarious to think that The Donald is the "christian" who's gonna "save" america from "secularism". This is the guy who used pornstars as prostitutes and who has said on tape about women that you "just have to grab them by the kitten(*)", and who then lied about that to. On top of the other 15k+ lies that have been documented during his presidency.


(*) use a synonym here.

I have been really impressed with the Democratic Convention. I've watched almost all of 2 days and they never defended secularism.

I don't care about the rest of your hot air.

 

[syo]

secularism was attacking the free exercise of religion in the public square.

Why???

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why???

Like I told TailgatelliMonster,

"I have been really impressed with the Democratic Convention. I've watched almost all of 2 days and they never defended secularism."

 

[shunyadragon]

Like I told TailgatelliMonster,

"I have been really impressed with the Democratic Convention. I've watched almost all of 2 days and they never defended secularism."

Why should they mention secularism? It is accepted at the foundation of our government and Constitution. You know separation of religion and state, no establishment of a state religion, and Freedom of Religion

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why should they mention secularism? It is accepted at the foundation of our government and Constitution. You know separation of religion and state, no establishment of a state religion, and Freedom of Religion

Those things are fine, but I've been warned that people have been trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square.

 

[shunyadragon]

Those things are fine, but I've been warned that people have been trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square.

We started out as colonies when in the states it was illegal not to belong to one of the establishment churches. One church or another through history was the one and only state church. We have come a long way since.

I've been warned that people have been trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square.

Needs clarification, because it was the churches in the past tried, and did, try and stop the free exercise of religon.

https://www.history.com/topics/unit... only once,as qualification for public office.

Religion In Colonial America
America wasn’t always a stronghold of religious freedom. More than half a century before the Pilgrims set sail in the Mayflower, French Protestants (called Huguenots) established a colony at Fort Caroline near modern-day Jacksonville, Florida.

The Spanish, who were largely Catholic and occupied much of Florida at the time, slaughtered the Huguenots at Fort Caroline. The Spanish commander wrote the king that he had hanged the settlers for “scattering the odious Lutheran doctrine in these Provinces.”

The Puritans and Pilgrims arrived in New England in the early 1600s after suffering religious persecution in England. However, the Puritans of Massachusetts Bay Colony didn’t tolerate any opposing religious views. Catholics, Quakers and other non-Puritans were banned from the colony.

Roger Williams, a Puritan dissident, was banned from Massachusetts. Williams then moved south and founded Rhode Island. Rhode Island became the first colony with no established church and the first to grant religious freedom to everyone, including Quakers and Jews.

As Virginia’s governor in 1779, Thomas Jefferson drafted a bill that would guarantee the religious freedoms of Virginians of all faiths—including those with no faith—but the bill did not pass into law.

Religion was mentioned only once in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution prohibits the use of religious tests as qualification for public office. This broke with European tradition by allowing people of any faith (or no faith) to serve in public office in the United States.

 

[robocop (actually)]

We started out as colonies when in the states it was illegal not to belong to one of the establishment churches. One church or another through history was the one and only state church. We have come a long way since.

I've been warned that people have been trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square.

Needs clarification, because it was the churches in the past tried, and did, try and stop the free exercise of religon.

https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/freedom-of-religion#:~:text=Roger Williams,-In 1635 Roger&text=Rhode Island became the first,everyone, including Quakers and Jews.&text=Religion was mentioned only once,as qualification for public office.

Religion In Colonial America
America wasn’t always a stronghold of religious freedom. More than half a century before the Pilgrims set sail in the Mayflower, French Protestants (called Huguenots) established a colony at Fort Caroline near modern-day Jacksonville, Florida.

The Spanish, who were largely Catholic and occupied much of Florida at the time, slaughtered the Huguenots at Fort Caroline. The Spanish commander wrote the king that he had hanged the settlers for “scattering the odious Lutheran doctrine in these Provinces.”

The Puritans and Pilgrims arrived in New England in the early 1600s after suffering religious persecution in England. However, the Puritans of Massachusetts Bay Colony didn’t tolerate any opposing religious views. Catholics, Quakers and other non-Puritans were banned from the colony.

Roger Williams, a Puritan dissident, was banned from Massachusetts. Williams then moved south and founded Rhode Island. Rhode Island became the first colony with no established church and the first to grant religious freedom to everyone, including Quakers and Jews.

As Virginia’s governor in 1779, Thomas Jefferson drafted a bill that would guarantee the religious freedoms of Virginians of all faiths—including those with no faith—but the bill did not pass into law.

Religion was mentioned only once in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution prohibits the use of religious tests as qualification for public office. This broke with European tradition by allowing people of any faith (or no faith) to serve in public office in the United States.

Yeah, I don't know who's trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square that I'm told is going on right now, but I'm against it.

Religion is also mentioned in the constitution in the first ammendment, and that's what I'm talking about.

 

[shunyadragon]

Yeah, I don't know who's trying to stop the free exercise of religion in the public square that I'm told is going on right now, but I'm against it.

Religion is also mentioned in the constitution in the first ammendment, and that's what I'm talking about.

It is mentioned in terms of not establishing a state religon. Again it is the churches in history that have tried to prevent the freedom religion.

Needs more clarification.

 

[Callisto]

Abortions can be necessary and they are extremely time sensitive.
No one is going to die or be put in medical risk by not going to church. But lives are at risk--and needlessly so--when people attend church during this time..

Plus the simple fact that you can't perform an abortion safely on yourself or outside a medical setup. However, religion is routinely practiced among various types, Christian and otherwise, at home regardless of whether they also have a separate place of worship to congregate with others.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The US isn't israel.

I wasn't referring to Israel. I was referring to the US in general. The 10 commandments should be up on the walls of courtrooms right along with other significant documents in legal history, such as the magna carta.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I have been really impressed with the Democratic Convention. I've watched almost all of 2 days and they never defended secularism.

It doesn't need any defending because it's been in your constitution ever since it was drawn up. It forms the very basis of your democratic society. It's accepted as a given. Defending its importance would merely be stating the obvious.

I don't care about the rest of your hot air.

If you consider having a pathological liar for a president "hot air", then that's on you, off course.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I wasn't referring to Israel. I was referring to the US in general. The 10 commandments should be up on the walls of courtrooms right along with other significant documents in legal history, such as the magna carta.

Disagree. Maybe in a museum.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wasn't referring to Israel. I was referring to the US in general. The 10 commandments should be up on the walls of courtrooms right along with other significant documents in legal history, such as the magna carta.

I think these sorts of proposals generally have more to do with pushing religion on kids than they do with actually educating kids about the law.

Usually, the people pushing these sorts of things want to see the Ten Commandments in classrooms, period. All that other stuff about "other significant documents in legal history" is just window-dressing to try to get it to pass court challenge.

I don't think for a second that you'd care a bit about a display of "significant documents in legal history" if there wasn't a copy of the Ten Commandments in it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

It is mentioned in terms of not establishing a state religon. Again it is the churches in history that have tried to prevent the freedom religion.

Needs more clarification.

Alright, thank you shunyadragon.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't think for a second that you'd care a bit about a display of "significant documents in legal history" if there wasn't a copy of the Ten Commandments in it.

I've grown up with important documents such as the Declaration, the Constitution, etc. always being on the walls of public offices. It just seems natural to me.

Look, I think at this point it is simply better to just disagree agreeably.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I've grown up with important documents such as the Declaration, the Constitution, etc. always being on the walls of public offices. It just seems natural to me.

Look, I think at this point it is simply better to just disagree agreeably.

As long as you're arguing for second-class status for LGBTQ people and special privileges for the religious, there isn't going to be much "agreeable" in our disagreement.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm reopening this topic because it was pointed out to me that religions were denied having services while alcohol and weed stores were open and casinos and crap.

 

[shunyadragon]

I'm reopening this topic because it was pointed out to me that religions were denied having services while alcohol and weed stores were open and casinos and crap.

Pointed out by whom? There is no such restriction on church service, but in some places the reverse is true, Blue Laws are still in existence where State Law prohibits sales of alcohol on Sunday and in some places Sunday mornings, but fortunately these laws are being removed over time.

Need references and further clarification, and not 'it was pointed out to me.'

 

[robocop (actually)]

Pointed out by whom? There is no such restriction on church service, but in some places the reverse is true, Blue Laws are still in existence where State Law prohibits sales of alcohol on Sunday and in some places Sunday mornings, but fortunately these laws are being removed over time.

Need references and further clarification, and not 'it was pointed out to me.'

So, are you saying there are places where they opened up religious services and prohibited alcohol sales?