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Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by robocop (actually), Aug 12, 2020.

  1. robocop (actually)

    robocop (actually) Well-Known Member
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    I thought a reason to vote for Donald Trump was that secularism was attacking the free exercise of religion in the public square.

    But I don't see it! It's fine!

    I still like his policies, but this is just not something I see myself even if it's potentially a threat.
     
  2. robocop (actually)

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    Never mind! My parents set me straight! It's real.
     
  3. robocop (actually)

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    Esther is a great book in the Bible about secularism as a problem.

    Interestingly, it doesn't mention the word "God."
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    If secularism is a problem to you, move to Saudi Arabia or other theocratic countries.
     
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    Really? What example(s) did they provide which convinced you of this?
     
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    How is secularism a threat? It's what ensures your freedom of religion to believe what you will without there being any sort of official state religion. Secularism both maximizes and best preserves the freedom of religion (and many other rights, such as free speech, that may be explicitly prohibited per religious dogma).
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    It all depends on what you mean by secularism. Presently there is a secularist movement that has as its goal the elimination of religion in the public square. This is absurd -- it is definitely NOT what our founding fathers wanted.

    We have two clauses.
    1. No establishment of a religion, aka no state church, and no favoring of one religion over another. Great we dont have a problem with this.
    2. No prohibition of the free excercise. This is where we are having problems. Laws are being passed which interfere with the following of religious conscience for example. And prohibitive laws are being passed which limit the practice of relition to the private sphere--a clear violation of the free exercise clause.
     
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    Well...I might quibble on that. But let's leave it for this post.

    There has always been issues with this, in terms of practical implications and enforcement. A quick review of Native American history would prove this. What particular issues lead you to believe 'we are having problems' that are worse than those previously encountered?
     
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  9. robocop (actually)

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    In the workplace, people can often get made fun of over their religions and even though it's illegal they can still get fired. I've seen plenty of workplace discrimination that was illegal.
     
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    It has been made necessary as its been ised to justify and protect dangerous and fatal ends, especially for children who needlessly suffer and die as religious parents are under no obligation to take their kid to a doctor if they religion prohibits it. Measles is coming back because of excessive freedom of religion. Children are ill prepared for the world due to excessive freedom of religion. Adults even are often denied rights due to excessive freedom of religion that extends up to preserving discrimination as a right for those who are prejudice as a part of their "sincerely held religious beliefs."
     
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    There is? This is news to me.

    The Founding Fathers most definitely intended to limit the exercise or religion in certain ways, and they did it to foster and protect religion.

    They recognized that one of the biggest threats to religious freedom is some other religion with influence over government, so they made a deliberate decision to keep religion out of government as a means to ensuring freedom of religious expression.
     
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    There are no absolute constitutional rights. SCOTUS has made this clear. For instance, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905.
     
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  13. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    People of faith have been forced to do things that violate their consciences, such as perform abortions or assist, or provide services for gay marriages. Fortunately the Supreme Court is now taking this in hand, and so the pendulum is swinging back again.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Exceptions must be made for the life and health of a child. These are not the cases I'm talking about. I'm talking about people of conscience being forced to do abortions, or to provide services for gay marriages.
     
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    The biggest threat to religion today is not some other religion, but aggressive secularism that wants to relegate any expression of religion to the privacy of one's home or church, keeping it out of the pubic square.
     
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    No one who is against abortions is going to get the training to perform them. It would be like someone training to be a gynecologist but having moral objections to touching and seeing the genitals of a woman.
    No one is forcing priests to marry gays or even allow them in their churches.
     
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    Now, if it's someone like a pharmacist, they went to school and took an oath to serve people, not promote their own personal beliefs. If they are unable to fulfill this duty without discrimination, prejudice, and selfishness they are not in a suitable line of employment and step aside for someone who will ensure people get the medications their doctor prescribed to them. And I do believe it should be criminal to refuse to fill a valid prescription. A pharmacist is not a doctor, they are not the patients doctor, and it's none of their business and it is not their place to determine someone else's treatment based on their own personal sense of morality. It is unacceptable that it even happens, and it's blatantly disrespectful, negligent, and an abuse of power to do so.
     
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    You didn't address my questions or point at all...
     
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    Whenever religious people (Christian in most examples) face the thread of an other religion (e.g. Satanism) or secularism, they usually go for secularism.
    It's not religious freedom you're after, it's religious privilege if you don't like a Baphomet statue beside your 10 commandments monument.
     
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    Good. We're Christians and Muslims and Jews and Satanists and Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists and Wiccans and First Nations and Kemetics and Luciferians and so many other things that we just don't have the room in public sectors to accommodate them all, and all or none at all is the most fair way of doing it.
     
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