xkatz
Well-Known Member
Which four? JW.
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Complete written Torah in english
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ametist
Active Member
A Stone Edition Tanakh, The Jewish Study Bible, Fox's The Five Books of Moses, and a Hertz Chumash.
jewscout
Religious Zionist
Yes, I get the point.It is a vast study. I have plenty of time though.
also look to Artscroll's Stone Chumash as another source of commentary and translation.
also Onkelos on the Torah, when you are ready
Onkelos on the Torah: Understanding the Bible Text: Genesis: Israel Drazin, Stanley M. Wagner: 9789652293428: Amazon.com: Books
As noted above, I'm not a big fan of the Chabad offering. As for Mechon Mamre, it should be noted that this is the 1917 version.
I strongly recommend that you add Plaut and Alter. The WRJ Commentary is a great supplement as is the JSB. Finally, if you can afford it the 5 volume JPS Commentary is, in my opinion, indispensable.
This, of course, has the same problem exhibited by the online Chabad offering.
outhouse
Atheistically
If one wants to follow ignorance.
I would never follow a later apologetic interpretation, that just promotes the orthodox Jewish spin on ancient Israelite books.
Cultural and physical anthropology combined with a varied opinions of different historians place the Torah in a much clearer light.
Way to much bias in the Jewish spin that does not line up accurately with known history.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The best thing is to understand by yourself; one should make up one's point of view without a bias from the text and the context; and remove the contradictions if found with other places in the Torah; a little thinking would do that.
Then one could study any other comments and see the differences if any. It is not difficult to discern truth ; truth glitters like anything.
Moses never commanded to ask from the commentators. If the scriptures cannot reveal the truth to a sincere seeker; then what use it is for.
One should not make Torah a dead book of rituals; good for nothing;and begging help of the commentators.
Is Torah an obscure book? I don't think so.
With all the corruption made into Torah by the narrators/scribes/clergy; it can still give light/guidance to the truthful seekers in ethical/moral/spiritual matters; if Torah ever provided light to the Jews in times of Moses.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
History is an infant or a toddler before the Word Revealed on Moses. History is useful as an aid to reason/knowledge but not an end of itself as one thinks. The absolute Truth is in the Word Revealed. History only deals with the past while the truthful Word Revealed deals in the past/present/future and even goes beyond the time and place into the absolute dimension.
Regards
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outhouse
Atheistically
ametist
Active Member
ametist
Active Member
Stop talking about things you are completely ignorant of.
how about you first stop that facepalming to everypost you read. it is really childish.
outhouse
Atheistically
So is the ignorance of those who purposely fail to do credible research before posting garbage.
This is supposed to be an educational site.
Not one where people choose to trash others beliefs to proselytize their own mythology.
The world is poorer for having to read his pathetic reply.
outhouse
Atheistically
It is rather ignorant.
Moses has no historicity as ever existing, and he factually did not exist as written. There is not one word in the koran that is accurate here. Nor the bible the koran was plagiarized from.
Israelites evolved from displace Canaanites and other Semitic speaking people who factualy used Canaanite mythology, deities, pottery, and alphabet.
No mass exodus ever took place, and Israelites and their culture did not exist prior to 1200 BC and at that time they were only proto Israelites, who had not developed any of the culture as reported in the bible.
roger1440
I do stuff
I have a copy of the Jewish Study Bible in the PDF format that I had downloaded from the Internet last year using a file sharing program. Its contents are pretty much like Christian study Bibles. It has maps, charts, foot notes, cross references, commentary on each book, etc. The Christian study Bibles I use are the New International Version and the New King James Version.
ametist
Active Member
Now, you are making your point. Perhaps we can get to somewhere from here on.
There is a prophet whose existence is mentioned in muslim and non muslim sources in history closer to his time. his name is muhammed and he, altough he wasnt gonna go along the judaist teachings, confirmed that there was a valued prophet named moses who was given a divine book.. I find it slightly weird he did that because he could have just said there is no such prophet as moses or a book that is given to him by god. So, I take this as the confirmation that moses existed. Also, it is a bit difficult to imagine whole group of people first imagining a person and then imagining a religion and then writing a book which bring lots of obligations etc. Life could have been fun without that a lot of things to do and not to do.
Anyway, If I am permitted, I would like to gather as much opinion and sources as possible and get on with my search.
it is difficult to get to direct evidence of existence of moses as a person because many libraries are destructed in time and many written documents in those big and small libraries got lost. But I think because of the above reasons he existed.
outhouse
Atheistically
He plagiarized the bible.
His only sources was the bible and oral history from the bible.
The fact he used previous mythology shows no divine inspiration at all.
:biglaugh:
Nice! what great methodology, some guy who is plagairizing pervious mythology almost 2000 years in the past has historical credibiliy
Please dude, that is embarrassing.
We have direct evidence, we have factual evidence of their Canaanite heritage.
Moses has no historicity as ever existing, and he factually did not exist as written. There is not one word in the koran that is accurate here. Nor the bible the koran was plagiarized from.
Israelites evolved from displace Canaanites and other Semitic speaking people who factualy used Canaanite mythology, deities, pottery, and alphabet.
Maybe you dont understand the meaning of "factual" or plagairized.
outhouse
Atheistically
Why?
Your a muslim who has no interest in real history.
You favor pseudohistory created by people plagiarizing mythology.