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Common sense
- Thread starter King Phenomenon
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Beyond that, abortion should be legal because the choice should belong to the early term pregnant woman, not the church using the force of government to compel others to obey its religious preferences.
Originally, the purpose of the church's ban on abortion was to promote maximal childbirth. They oppose whatever will slow the birth rate, such as homosexuality, divorce, birth control, sex education, and recreational sex. That was the Catholics.
The protestants got on board as well, but their reasons were different. Like the Republicans, they saw the abortion matter as a wedge issue that would manufacture faux outrage at atheists and liberals to increase church revenues and Republican voter turnout.
It's not about whether killing is right or wrong just like all this voting legislation is not about election integrity.
Furthermore, what do we need with the church's take on abortion? Why would secular humanists care what Christians (or any other religious group) call immoral, or what they think their god wants? Our values are derived by the application of reason to empathy, and they are often at odds with religious values.
MatthewA
Active Member
Have no problems with Abortion clinics and they doing what they do ~
Even in the suggestion of a person having had a abortion then they even found God later in life.
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The choice of having an abortion is there just as much as the probability of maybe having baby placed upon a person door step in hopes they take care of the child
or adoption,
even worse another choice of the mother killing their own child by insanity of their cries and the sorrows of life upon the mother.
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The choice of having an abortion is totally open `
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So is the choice of thinking for yourself and questioning if murdering or killing is wrong or if murder is justifiable some how by whatever factors ~
Though from me myself I would never suggest that murdering or killing anyone is a good thing to do at all. Those type of things haunt you and catch up with you in life.
Take care and May God give the increase - if you believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ ~ if not that is fine~ Just take care!
Even in the suggestion of a person having had a abortion then they even found God later in life.
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The choice of having an abortion is there just as much as the probability of maybe having baby placed upon a person door step in hopes they take care of the child
or adoption,
even worse another choice of the mother killing their own child by insanity of their cries and the sorrows of life upon the mother.
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The choice of having an abortion is totally open `
~
So is the choice of thinking for yourself and questioning if murdering or killing is wrong or if murder is justifiable some how by whatever factors ~
Though from me myself I would never suggest that murdering or killing anyone is a good thing to do at all. Those type of things haunt you and catch up with you in life.
Take care and May God give the increase - if you believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ ~ if not that is fine~ Just take care!
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes, it's a big deal.
I do support abortion up to about 12 weeks, and beyond that where life is in danger or serious complications found.
But Extreme-Religion 'can be' seriously warped over pro-life issues.
I notice that many extreme Christians tend to be aggressively pro=life, even demanding that rape victims should bear 'rape-children' ..... I've even read these nutters saying that rape victims probably bore some responsibility for their pregnancies!
Why do so many Christian pro-lifers object to providing free education, free healthcare and medical services, free education ....to adulthood .... for all? Pro-life? No.... pro subjection of women, I reckon.
Should rape be made legal so that it's safer that way?
I have no issues with religious folk following the tenets of their religion within the bounds of secular law.
I simply want them to take the same view with me.
For what it's worth, my wife and I wouldn't abort. Nor would we 'gay marry' each other. Supporting those things is about allowing OTHERS to make their own choices. Not about self.
You might have to enlighten me on your meaning here.
Are you suggesting that allowing rape within sanitary conditions by trained professionals is safer than backyard rape using various unsanitary means?
Or are you using rape as a simple prop whilst hyperbolically aiming for dramatic effect?
Some believe that "thou shalt not kill" should be "thou shalt not murder." But, as it stands, it says "kill."
That doesn't specify killing humans or animals. But the bible does mention the consumption of animals, I assume that it means that "thou shalt not kill" only applies to humans.
I think that all could agree that current abortion law, in some states, should be changed to prevent aborting a fetus that could miraculously survive. Survival of an early fetus means that it is likely blind, crippled, malformed, and mentally challenged. Doctors are now mandated to try to save fetuses like this that are aborted but survive.
MatthewA
Active Member
Hello Clara Tea,
Is that what it says? Thou shall not kill, or not murder? Guess it is kill, (forgotten - lol).
My assumption would be that of not killing humans either.
Seems that Man gave names to all the tame animals ; wild animals, bird of the air, he saw many animals, and birds, but he could not find a companion that was right for him. ( Genesis 2:20 ) ~ According to the bible.
As humans we have ate all types of different animal foods, and slain animals for food, back in the old testament believe they had to slay animal for a covering of their sins ~ Until Jesus Christ came and paid for the sins of the world - Now we no longer slay animals sacrifices like they did in the old testament. (According to the bible and what it says) ~ Could be wrong you have to decide those answers for yourself.
Take care
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Aha, is that what is meant with it
I got 2 of those replies already
I could only conclude that such a reply is trivial (petty)
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
Pretty sure all of those actions would be condemned by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
Ending a life is not necessarily a bad.
Intentionally ending an innocent life because it is inconvenient to you is bad.
That doesn't stop them
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
And yet they were pretty sure they had the full support and encouragement from God....
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
You're right - but if the actions of the members of a religion are in direct violation of the expressed principles of said religion - then you cannot blame the religion for those actions - but only the individuals.
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
And only religious people have ever acted in ignorance?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
King Phenomenon
Well-Known Member
Considered
Unfortunately rejected
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
I believe that the idea that abortions being legal made them safer is a common misconception.
Fatality rates of "back-alley" abortions dramatically dropped after the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940's and continued to improve.
The term "back-alley" abortion is even misleading since by as early as 1955 - 90% of all illegal abortions were performed by trained physicians.
AJPH.50.7.948 (aphapublications.org)
In 1972 - the year before Roe v. Wade was passed - there were only 63 abortion related fatalities - and 38% of those deaths were the result of legal abortions.
Abortion Surveillance -- United States, 1992 (cdc.gov)
Basically - it was not Roe v. Wade that made abortions safer - but the development of better medicine.