On closer examination....(I love it when threads take me to places that I never thought of going to)....I came across this piece on the domestication of the fruits we eat today compared to what they use to look like originally....
This is how it begins.....
WHAT FRUITS & VEGETABLES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE WE DOMESTICATED THEM
AMANDA MONTEIRO FEBRUARY 11, 2016
The world is in a constant state of flux. Things are changing every second of every day, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly, and this is a natural part of life. So it should come as no surprise that much of the food we eat today has changed as well, and bears little resemblance to its distant forebears. There are many reasons for this, including evolution and plant/animal interactions within ecosystems, changes in farming technology and methods — GMOs are one unfortunate example of this — and plant hybridization, which is in itself an agricultural technology. (Click here to know the difference between GMO and hybrid seeds.)
Once we began growing these particular fruits and vegetables en masse to meet the demands of consumers, they started to change. Take a look at what fruits and vegetables used to look like, before we domesticated them."
What Fruits & Vegetables Looked Like Before We Domesticated Them
We already know that the mass producing of cash crops for a ready market is the springboard for a tastier and more colorful product that is hopefully (though not always) more nutritious. If its appealing to the eye, it helps with the price too.
It goes on to talk about the humble banana.....
Wild/ Modern Bananas
The first bananas are thought to have been cultivated about 10,000 years ago in what is now known as Papua New Guinea. Portuguese colonists in the 15th and 16th centuries established banana plantations in the Atlantic Islands, Brazil, and Western Africa. North Americans soon began consuming bananas on a small scale; it was only until the 1880s that it became more widespread.
Today our hybrid bananas come from two wild varieties, Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana, which had large, hard seeds, like the ones in this photo. The modern banana has much smaller seeds, contains more nutrients, and, it has been conjectured, tastes much better."
Regardless of the shape, the seeds, the color or the taste, people still ate them and so did the creatures who lived in that habitat.
Now this article says "The first bananas are thought to have been cultivated about 10,000 years ago in what is now known as Papua New Guinea." Cultivated means specifically grown by humans and this was 10,000 years ago? So what sort of 'evolutionary modification' are we suggesting here? It seems as if humans have modified a good many edible things to suit their own needs and tastes as they progressed in knowledge of agricultural breeding practices, be they for better taste, larger size, better shape or for financial gain.
I will leave you to read the rest (if you desire) but one thing stands out in this article that is in all articles that make suggestions about what science doesn't really know. If something is "thought to have been", it means that it is a guess, not a fact. They have put 2 and 2 together, assuming that 2 and 2 was in the original equation....which is something they tend to do with most things in the dim dark past.
Without the original DNA being designed the way it was, no manipulation by humans could have taken place.
When humans manipulate many organic things, they are often left with sterile hybrids that cannot reproduce. Nature never does that. Look at the original banana and see how generous the Creator was with the seeds he implanted for their continued production. Cut open any tomato or capsicum and see how many seeds are contained in each piece. All have the potential for producing hundreds of plants.
Throw an old potato in the garden and watch as it grows into a potato plant that will give you lots more potatoes. What do the fruits that man produces give them back? They might taste a little better but they have to figure out a way to keep growing them without seeds. Then you have big corporations GM'ing seeds and patenting them so that farmers need to buy those GM seeds at added cost rather than gathering seeds from a previous crop for free. (Like they use to)
Still, no modifications could be made without the original fruit containing the ability for adaptation, be it natural or artificial. The original was 'designed' with that potential.
This is how it begins.....
WHAT FRUITS & VEGETABLES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE WE DOMESTICATED THEM
AMANDA MONTEIRO FEBRUARY 11, 2016
The world is in a constant state of flux. Things are changing every second of every day, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly, and this is a natural part of life. So it should come as no surprise that much of the food we eat today has changed as well, and bears little resemblance to its distant forebears. There are many reasons for this, including evolution and plant/animal interactions within ecosystems, changes in farming technology and methods — GMOs are one unfortunate example of this — and plant hybridization, which is in itself an agricultural technology. (Click here to know the difference between GMO and hybrid seeds.)
Once we began growing these particular fruits and vegetables en masse to meet the demands of consumers, they started to change. Take a look at what fruits and vegetables used to look like, before we domesticated them."
What Fruits & Vegetables Looked Like Before We Domesticated Them
We already know that the mass producing of cash crops for a ready market is the springboard for a tastier and more colorful product that is hopefully (though not always) more nutritious. If its appealing to the eye, it helps with the price too.
It goes on to talk about the humble banana.....
Wild/ Modern Bananas
The first bananas are thought to have been cultivated about 10,000 years ago in what is now known as Papua New Guinea. Portuguese colonists in the 15th and 16th centuries established banana plantations in the Atlantic Islands, Brazil, and Western Africa. North Americans soon began consuming bananas on a small scale; it was only until the 1880s that it became more widespread.
Today our hybrid bananas come from two wild varieties, Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana, which had large, hard seeds, like the ones in this photo. The modern banana has much smaller seeds, contains more nutrients, and, it has been conjectured, tastes much better."
Regardless of the shape, the seeds, the color or the taste, people still ate them and so did the creatures who lived in that habitat.
Now this article says "The first bananas are thought to have been cultivated about 10,000 years ago in what is now known as Papua New Guinea." Cultivated means specifically grown by humans and this was 10,000 years ago? So what sort of 'evolutionary modification' are we suggesting here? It seems as if humans have modified a good many edible things to suit their own needs and tastes as they progressed in knowledge of agricultural breeding practices, be they for better taste, larger size, better shape or for financial gain.
I will leave you to read the rest (if you desire) but one thing stands out in this article that is in all articles that make suggestions about what science doesn't really know. If something is "thought to have been", it means that it is a guess, not a fact. They have put 2 and 2 together, assuming that 2 and 2 was in the original equation....which is something they tend to do with most things in the dim dark past.
Without the original DNA being designed the way it was, no manipulation by humans could have taken place.
When humans manipulate many organic things, they are often left with sterile hybrids that cannot reproduce. Nature never does that. Look at the original banana and see how generous the Creator was with the seeds he implanted for their continued production. Cut open any tomato or capsicum and see how many seeds are contained in each piece. All have the potential for producing hundreds of plants.
Throw an old potato in the garden and watch as it grows into a potato plant that will give you lots more potatoes. What do the fruits that man produces give them back? They might taste a little better but they have to figure out a way to keep growing them without seeds. Then you have big corporations GM'ing seeds and patenting them so that farmers need to buy those GM seeds at added cost rather than gathering seeds from a previous crop for free. (Like they use to)
Still, no modifications could be made without the original fruit containing the ability for adaptation, be it natural or artificial. The original was 'designed' with that potential.
