Colossians 3:5

[Big_TJ]

now you are just being silly! I started and ended everything i pasted from the wiki article with quotation marks because it was a copy and paste from the article. That is what you do when you are quoting from somewhere.

you asked for a reference to anything suggesting pornogrpahy is negative and I gave you wiki article with a list of them. Take it up with Wiki and the authors of the various studies.

Pegg, you seem smart enough to understand this: If you copy and paste from wiki, then you should referenced the wiki page, not the book published by Doidge. The reference you provided has nothing to do with what you quoted. Can you see this? You dishonestly include Doidge's reference in a way that suggests that preceding section was quoted from Doidge.

what do you call it when someone is paid for sex? A prostitute.
What do you call a person who facilitates sex between strangers. A pimp.
And what do you call a person who pays for sex? A.....?

the porn industry is run by pimps and prostitutes and advocating for their industry is to support it. Of course God hates it, he outlawed that sort of behavior in the mosaic law and in the christian scriptures.

. You are quite funny:slap:. I guess you will call it Rape next since girls in the porn industry against their will as they only want to earn the money; right? . Again, I have no qualms about your personal (twisted, I might suggest) views on porn, but to suggest that the bible is against it base on Colossian 3:5 is ludicrous, in my opinion.

 

[Pegg]

Pegg, you seem smart enough to understand this: If you copy and paste from wiki, then you should referenced the wiki page, not the book published by Doidge. The reference you provided has nothing to do with what you quoted. Can you see this? You dishonestly include Doidge's reference in a way that suggests that preceding section was quoted from Doidge.

you obviously missed the wiki link. It was the very first sentence:

There are a whole list of studies in this one wiki article:

thats ok, i wont hold that against you.

. You are quite funny:slap:. I guess you will call it Rape next since girls in the porn industry against their will as they only want to earn the money; right? . Again, I have no qualms about your personal (twisted, I might suggest) views on porn, but to suggest that the bible is against it base on Colossian 3:5 is ludicrous, in my opinion.

so you dont want to answer the question i posed?

That's ok, I think you already know there is only one right answer to my questions.

If prostitution is what you are advocating, then at least admit that Colossians 3:5 is the right scripture to use in this case.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Hi BigTJ,

The word Paul used in greek is pa′thos meaning “passion”
So he is discouraging 'sexual passion' that leads a person to fornication and hurtful desire.

He also did clarify what he meant in his letter to the Corinthians. He wasnt against sexual intimacy, he was against sexual intimacy outside the bounds of marriage:
1Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things about which YOU wrote, it is well for a man not to touch a woman; 2*yet, because of prevalence of fornication, let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband. 3*Let the husband render to [his] wife her due; but let the wife also do likewise to [her] husband

He actually advises anyone who desires to have sexual relations to do so in the state of marriage. He tells young widows to remarry and young men to marry, and he tells married people not to deprive each other of sexual intercourse.

1Cor 7:8*Now I say to the unmarried persons and the widows, it is well for them that they remain even as I am. 9*But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed [with passion

Pauls advice upholds the high moral standards of God law regarding fornication. If a person wants to engage in sexual activity, it should be done within the bounds of marriage only. Anything outside of this is unrighteous and immoral.

I believe you have correctly divided the word here.

 

[Big_TJ]

you obviously missed the wiki link. It was the very first sentence:
There are a whole list of studies in this one wiki article: thats ok, i wont hold that against you.

Admittedly, there are few things I might have missed, but the first line is not one of those things. So, in the interest of the discussion (and just to ensure that I am not misrepresenting you and we are not misleading others), do you accept that the quote :

"Pornography, especially internet pornography, delivers increasingly novel and exciting sexual images, which causes users to become tolerant to less exciting images and to seek even more novel and extreme images. This tolerance may also translate to sexual experience in general, leading to erectile dysfunction as users of extreme pornography are not aroused by normal sexual experiences. Pornography users may need to fantasize about or mimic pornographic scenes in order to be aroused during sex.

is NOT from

Doidge, Norman (2007). "Acquiring tastes". The Brain That Changes Itself. Penguin Books. pp. 105–106.

? Also, what do you think about my point that none of the articles that you quote on Wiki does not address "pornography" since they all deal with "pornography addition?"

If prostitution is what you are advocating, then at least admit that Colossians 3:5 is the right scripture to use in this case.

Well, biblically I would agree with this. Prostitution can be viewed as fornication because you are having sex with someone to whom you are not married (assuming that that's what "fornication" is). However, I do not know how prostitution (or even fornication) even creep in the discussion: the Watchtower didn't quote Colossian 3:5 to say "God hates prostitution/fornication;" did it?


Oh, I'm sorry I missed your questions: I will answer them now:

what do you call it when someone is paid for sex? A prostitute.
What do you call a person who facilitates sex between strangers. A pimp.
And what do you call a person who pays for sex? A.....?

Pegg, go back and look for the definition of pornography: it has to do with sexual explicit material - nothing else. Whether or not persons are paying to view the material (or to make the the material) makes no difference; it is not "pornography" when persons are paying for it and "something else" when persons are not paying for it.

 

[Big_TJ]

I believe you have correctly divided the word here.

Explain, please.

 

[Pegg]

Admittedly, there are few things I might have missed, but the first line is not one of those things. So, in the interest of the discussion (and just to ensure that I am not misrepresenting you and we are not misleading others), do you accept that the quote :


is NOT from ? Also, what do you think about my point that none of the articles that you quote on Wiki does not address "pornography" since they all deal with "pornography addition?"

each paragraph i quoted from the wiki article contains a reference. I used the same reference with each paragraph.

But i really think that you are splitting hairs over this. The entire wiki article is about studies into pornography and articles where the negative impacts of it are discussed.

The wiki page is Effects of pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now im not going to debate about the articles in question and whether they are accurate or not. I'll simply point out that you asked for 'any' reference to negative studies pertaining to pornography and I provided you one link with several studies in it.

IMO, pornography addiction is a negative consequence for many. It is the direct result of watching pornography so it is directly related to pornography.

Well, biblically I would agree with this. Prostitution can be viewed as fornication because you are having sex with someone to whom you are not married (assuming that that's what "fornication" is). However, I do not know how prostitution (or even fornication) even creep in the discussion: the Watchtower didn't quote Colossian 3:5 to say "God hates prostitution/fornication;" did it?

there is a lot of mental gymnastics going on here. Fornication is unlawful sexual activity, prostitution is unlawful sexual activity and pornography is unlawful sexual activity because it is akin to visiting a prostitute.

The people who produce pornography are prostitutes and pimps and those watching it are supporting their industry.

How can God be pleased to see his sons and daughters behave that way?

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Explain, please.

Pegg is a Jehovah's Witness. I wanted her to know that her take on this particular doctrine was essentially the same as mine -- a Messianic Jew. I was being friendly, that's all.

 

[Pegg]

Pegg is a Jehovah's Witness. I wanted her to know that her take on this particular doctrine was essentially the same as mine -- a Messianic Jew. I was being friendly, that's all.

ty, im sorry i missed your post up above.

 

[Big_TJ]

Pegg is a Jehovah's Witness. I wanted her to know that her take on this particular doctrine was essentially the same as mine -- a Messianic Jew. I was being friendly, that's all.

Ok; thanks for the clarification.

 

[Big_TJ]

The wiki page is Effects of pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now im not going to debate about the articles in question and whether they are accurate or not. I'll simply point out that you asked for 'any' reference to negative studies pertaining to pornography and I provided you one link with several studies in it.

Actually, what I asked was this:

On the other hand, I could not find any studies that conclusively link pornography to the ill of society (or being "bad" for the society). For example, there is no studies that I could find that links the viewing of pornography to rape, for instance. Could you point me to any? I would really appreciate taking a look at that study.

What you send was not study; you send me a link to Wikipedia that deals with pornographic addition; this is totally different from what I asked for. I am ok with you saying that you are not aware of any such studies. In fact, there is NO studies that I could find that conclusively provide that link.

IMO, pornography addiction is a negative consequence for many. It is the direct result of watching pornography so it is directly related to pornography.

Yes, we are in agreement on this. Are you seriously stating that you do not see the difference between pornography and pornography addition?? Is it considered "fornication" to drink alcohol on the basis that alcohol addiction is bad?

there is a lot of mental gymnastics going on here. Fornication is unlawful sexual activity, prostitution is unlawful sexual activity and pornography is unlawful sexual activity because it is akin to visiting a prostitute.
The people who produce pornography are prostitutes and pimps and those watching it are supporting their industry.

Yes, it really takes mental gymnastics to get porn as fornication. In fact, you will have to have fornication meaning "anything that I don't like" to get there.

How can God be pleased to see his sons and daughters behave that way?

Again, to my point. Your only argument seems to be "I don't like it so God cannot like it either."

 

[Pegg]

well im not going to keep arguing with you. You have your opinion and we have ours.

If you dont believe that paying someone to perform sexual acts is 'prostitution', then I have no idea what else it could be.

All i know is that Gods word states that prostitution and fornication are the same thing....and in my mind, paying someone to perform sexual acts is an act of prostitution/fornication and therefore is most certainly condemned by Gods law.

 

[kjw47]

Actually, what I asked was this:


What you send was not study; you send me a link to Wikipedia that deals with pornographic addition; this is totally different from what I asked for. I am ok with you saying that you are not aware of any such studies. In fact, there is NO studies that I could find that conclusively provide that link.



Yes, we are in agreement on this. Are you seriously stating that you do not see the difference between pornography and pornography addition?? Is it considered "fornication" to drink alcohol on the basis that alcohol addiction is bad?


Yes, it really takes mental gymnastics to get porn as fornication. In fact, you will have to have fornication meaning "anything that I don't like" to get there.


Again, to my point. Your only argument seems to be "I don't like it so God cannot like it either."

Any one who knows God and his son, knows porn is immoral.