COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[3rdAngel]

I noticed. It seems like a train wreck of every convoluted and inane response to so clear a presentation. Here is another go at it:

Let's consider Colossians 2 briefly, though we can consider in great detail later:

Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"​

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]
etc.

Colossians 2 speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances" (not moral or spiritual Law; Romans 7:14 as the Ten Commandments are), as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus 20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š​

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossians 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all​

More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, more in detail in a bit.

Goodness, thankyou. Someone that actually reads their bible for themselves. .

 

[metis]

And I guess "love the Lord your God" means you can ignore everything He says that you do not like. God rested on the seventh day and made the sabbath for mankind. Not Jew, not Christian, not Muslim, but for MAN. So if you can love God with all your heart and spit on His holy day, then good for you. And you say that on these two commandments depend all the law, I guess you realize that the Ten Commandments are included in the law. But if you do not like the Sabbath law, then you also do not have to follow the two commandments that the law depends on. So it all comes down to pick what you like and ignore everything else.

It's truly a shame that you are so willing to believe in your church's teachers but not in what Jesus actually said. Maybe some day you may actually decide to read what is said in the Bible that you now are so willing to ignore.

 

[3rdAngel]

It's truly a shame that you are so willing to believe in your church's teachers but not in what Jesus actually said. Maybe some day you may actually decide to read what is said in the Bible that you now are so willing to ignore.

I would suggest it is the other way around. Why did you post the above to @lostwanderingsoul when he has only provided scripture? It is you who are following man made traditions that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in *MATTHEW 15:2-9 if you knowingly break God's 4th commandment when you have been given a knowledge of the tuth. *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-27. Who do we believe; you or God? I know who I believe and it is not you. Nothing personal

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It's truly a shame that you are so willing to believe in your church's teachers but not in what Jesus actually said. Maybe some day you may actually decide to read what is said in the Bible that you now are so willing to ignore.

And you choose to ignore Mathew 19:17-19. This is in the New Testament and the actual words of Jesus. Jesus lists several of the commandments, No, he does not list all ten, but is showing that he is referring to the ten. Not just two as you claim. So again, it is pick what you like and ignore the rest. I believe we should love God and love our neighbors and also keep the other commandments as Jesus said. So I am not ignoring anything but YOU ignore the plain words of Jesus because you do not agree and accept the teaching of some church that also ignores the words of Jesus. It sounds like I have read more and believe more than you do. So do not say someone else is ignoring something when you yourself ignore clear words spoken by Jesus. "Keep the commandments" including do not kill, do not steal, do not lie, and others (including the sabbath). My beliefs are not based on any church but on the clear words of Jesus which you cannot see because some religion has blinded you to the truth.

 

[3rdAngel]

And you choose to ignore Mathew 19:17-19. This is in the New Testament and the actual words of Jesus. Jesus lists several of the commandments, No, he does not list all ten, but is showing that he is referring to the ten. Not just two as you claim. So again, it is pick what you like and ignore the rest. I believe we should love God and love our neighbors and also keep the other commandments as Jesus said. So I am not ignoring anything but YOU ignore the plain words of Jesus because you do not agree and accept the teaching of some church that also ignores the words of Jesus. It sounds like I have read more and believe more than you do. So do not say someone else is ignoring something when you yourself ignore clear words spoken by Jesus. "Keep the commandments" including do not kill, do not steal, do not lie, and others (including the sabbath). My beliefs are not based on any church but on the clear words of Jesus which you cannot see because some religion has blinded you to the truth.

I think this is the difference between God's people and those who are not. God's people believe and follow Gods' Word. Those who are not do not believe and do not follow what God says. As JESUS says by their fruits we shall know them. Great post

 

[3rdAngel]

How is doing the same things Jesus did “serving two masters?”

My dear friend SHAMANISM linked is not a christian teaching. It is occult teachings and is not of God but of the devil according to the scripture. Let me ask you some questions that you do not have to answer as I am sure if you are being honest with yourself you know the answers to these questions.

If we look at EXODUS, God asked MOSES to perform signs and wonders to Pharaoh the king of Egypt as a sign MOSES was from God. Now if you read the scriptures *EXODUS 7 nearly every sign that MOSES performed the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians were also able to some extent copy. So were the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians doing their signs and wonders through God or if they were opposing God were they from the devil?

In the last days before the second coming JESUS says there will be many false prophets and false Christs showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible they shall deceive God's very elect. *MATTHEW 24:24 and again in the words of JESUS an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given it. *MATTHEW 12:39.

Why are you looking to do signs and wonders through the occult?

 

[sooda]

My dear friend SHAMANISM linked is not a christian teaching. It is occult teachings and is not of God but of the devil according to the scripture. Let me ask you some questions that you do not have to answer as I am sure if you are being honest with yourself you know the answers to these questions.

If we look at EXODUS, God asked MOSES to perform signs and wonders to Pharaoh the king of Egypt as a sign MOSES was from God. Now if you read the scriptures *EXODUS 7 nearly every sign that MOSES performed the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians were also able to some extent copy. So were the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians doing their signs and wonders through God or if they were opposing God were they from the devil?

In the last days before the second coming JESUS says there will be many false prophets and false Christs showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible they shall deceive God's very elect. *MATTHEW 24:24 and again in the words of JESUS an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given it. *MATTHEW 12:39.

Why are you looking to do signs and wonders through the occult?

All down thru history to the present day there have always been false prophets.

 

[sojourner]

This is the last time I will address this subject with you. I’d advise to stop proselyting me. I will report you if I see any further on this particular topic.

My dear friend SHAMANISM linked is not a christian teaching

“Shamanism linked” is not what I practice. Therefore it is not cogent either to my situation or to this topic.

So were the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians doing their signs and wonders through God or if they were opposing God were they from the devil

“The Devil” does not appear in Exodus.

In the last days before the second coming JESUS says there will be many false prophets and false Christs showing great signs and wonders

Shamanism goes back at least 30,000 years. Xy goes back 2000. Judaica goes back 6000. So, whose “signs and wonders” are in “the last days?”

Now. Please drop it and quit trying to tell me what I am and am not.

 

[sooda]

My dear friend SHAMANISM linked is not a christian teaching. It is occult teachings and is not of God but of the devil according to the scripture. Let me ask you some questions that you do not have to answer as I am sure if you are being honest with yourself you know the answers to these questions.

If we look at EXODUS, God asked MOSES to perform signs and wonders to Pharaoh the king of Egypt as a sign MOSES was from God. Now if you read the scriptures *EXODUS 7 nearly every sign that MOSES performed the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians were also able to some extent copy. So were the Egyptian sorcerers and magicians doing their signs and wonders through God or if they were opposing God were they from the devil?

In the last days before the second coming JESUS says there will be many false prophets and false Christs showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible they shall deceive God's very elect. *MATTHEW 24:24 and again in the words of JESUS an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given it. *MATTHEW 12:39.

Why are you looking to do signs and wonders through the occult?

A lot of different Stone Age cultures existed in the Levant.

There were the Baradostian culture (36,000 - 18,000 BC), Antelian (30,000 – 18,000 BCE), The (Mesolithic) Kebaran Culture (18,000 - 12,500 BCE), Zarzian Culture in Iraq (18,000 - 8,000 BC), Natufian culture (12,500 - 9,500 BC), The Harifian of the southern Levant (8,800 - 8,000 BC), Ghassulian (3800 - 3350 BC).

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I think this is the difference between God's people and those who are not. God's people believe and follow Gods' Word. Those who are not do not believe and do not follow what God says. As JESUS says by their fruits we shall know them. Great post

Thank you 3rdAngel. Some people have been so blinded by Satan and his false religions that they not only cannot see the truth but will not even try to look for it.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I find it interesting that I have been placed on an "ignore list" by someone on this thread. I guess when you do not have a good explanation for your beliefs, you just ignore what others say.

 

[sooda]

I find it interesting that I have been placed on an "ignore list" by someone on this thread. I guess when you do not have a good explanation for your beliefs, you just ignore what others say.

Do you understand "spoken of by Daniel"?

 

[3rdAngel]

This is the last time I will address this subject with you. I’d advise to stop proselyting me. I will report you if I see any further on this particular topic.

“Shamanism linked” is not what I practice. Therefore it is not cogent either to my situation or to this topic.

“The Devil” does not appear in Exodus.

Shamanism goes back at least 30,000 years. Xy goes back 2000. Judaica goes back 6000. So, whose “signs and wonders” are in “the last days?”

Now. Please drop it and quit trying to tell me what I am and am not.

Ok, thanks. I was only asking you about SHAMANISM as I have never met a "christian" or member of the clergy from a church that practices it and wanted to understand why you have gone down that path. I personally do not believe this is something "christians" should be following or is it biblical to do so IMO. Let's agree to disagree on this one as it is off topic anyway to the OP. You have your view here and I have mine. I will shake the dust on this one and leave it to you and God to work through.

 

[sojourner]

Ok, thanks. I was only asking you about SHAMANISM as I have never met a "christian" or member of the clergy from a church that practices it and wanted to understand why you have gone down that path. I personally do not believe this is something God's people should be following IMO. Let's agree to disagree on this one as it is off topic anyway to the OP. You have your view here and I have mine. I will shake the dust on this one and leave it to you and God to work through.

Thank you.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Do you understand "spoken of by Daniel"?

Maybe you should fill me in on some of the details.

 

[coconut theology]

Colossians 2:16:

[1] daily (meat and drink (offerings))
[2] seasonally (feast days, in their seasons, spring, fall)
[3] monthly (new moons)
[4] of year (sabbath days, yearly see Leviticus 23 & 25)​

Remember that Colossians 2:16 is citing Ezekiel 45:17:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.​

The entire context of Ezekiel 45 deals with "ordinances" of the worldly sanctuary, see below.

This same pattern is found throughout all of scripture, and thus when Paul refers to this pattern, when mentioning these particular sabbaths, it cannot ever be referring to the weekly cycle of 7 and the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord in the Ten Commandments.

Leviticus 23:1- 44, 25:1-22; Numbers 28:1-31; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Isaiah 1:13-14 (Isaiah, this is a unique, a parallelism within itself, case); Ezekiel 45:17, 46:1-11; Hosea 2:11, and see also Galatians 4:10; Colossians 2:16.​

Numbers 28:9-10 is the weekly 7th Day, since it states "the sabbath day", and "every sabbath", literally "sabbath to sabbath [Numbers 28:10 HOT Translit. - olat shaBat B'shaBaTô al-olat haTämiyd w'niš'KäH š, which is similar to Isaiah 66:23 HOT Translit. - w'häyäh miDëy-chodesh B'chäd'shô ûmiDëy shaBät B'shaBaTô yävô khäl-Bäsär l'hish'Tacháwot l'fänay ämar y'hwäh].

This is undisputed, and undisputable.

The 7th day is never listed last, and in Numbers 28 it is in increasing order (daily, weekly, seasonally, monthly, yearly). Even as in Leviticus 23, and Leviticus 25, followed by all the other materials, the daily meat and drink offerings, seasonal feast days, monthly new moons, and of years (yearly) sabbaths (7th and 50th years).

The remainder of the Bible follows that pattern, and so does Paul:

What was that pattern? Were the weekly listed last in any case? No. The Yearly typical sabbaths were always listed last.

Numbers 28:1-8 KJB, is the "continual" or "day by day" offerings, aka 'the daily'.

Numbers 28:9-10 KJB, is the "every sabbath" on "the sabbath day", which is the weekly 7th day Sabbath offerings.

Numbers 28:11-15 KJB, is the "beginnings of your months", and "every month", or monthly offerings.

Numbers 28:16-25 KJB is the "in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" and "in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread", which is the seasonal feast of Passover and of unleavened bread of the spring, and would be the spring seasonal offering, or even the first feast of the religious year offering.

Numbers 28:26-31 KJB is the "in the day of the firstfruits" and "after your weeks", or the seaonal wavesheaf offering along with Pentecost [feast of weeks], which basically closes the seasonal spring feasts.

Numbers 29:1-6 KJB continues them of the seasonal feasts "in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets", which is the seasonal fall feast of Trumpets and its offerings.

Numbers 29:7-11 KJB is the "have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein", "of atonement", or the seasonal fall feast of the day of atonement offering.

Numbers 29:12-40 KJB is the "on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days", which is the final seasonal fall feast of booths/ingathering/tabernacles offerings. Which completes the full offerings in the year.
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[coconut theology]

Looking at the individual texts, following the pattern as seen in Colossians 2:16; Ezekiel 45:17; Numbers 28-29:

Galatians 4:10 -

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.​

What is the pattern?

1 Chronicles 23:31 -

Please notice:

1Ch 23:30 And to stand every morning to thank and praise the LORD, and likewise at even;
1Ch 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:​

Vs 30 begins with the "daily", even the "morning" and "even[ing]".
vs 31 continues with weekly sabbaths, monthly new moons, seasonal feasts (spring/fall), which would also include the yearly sabbaths following.

Therefore, it is again, in increasing, nor decreasing order. [1] days, [2] weeks, [3] months [4] seasons [5] yearly.

In Colossians 2, the weekly are not included, as they are not "ordinances", but rather God's Law.​

Why then do persons attempt to place the weekly 7th day sabbath at the end of the pattern, and amidst the yearly types, and why do some attempt to reverse the order from what is clearly given?

2 Chronicles 2:4 -

Notice again:

2Ch 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Notice the "continual", which is the "daily" as seen by the "morning and evening" again. Then follows the weekly, then the monthly, then the seasonal feast (spring/fall), which also would include the yearly sabbaths that take place within some of them. Notice that not all feasts are sabbaths, and thus are two distinct phenomena.

Notice the order.​

2 Chronicles 8:13 -

Notice again:

2Ch 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

"certain rate every day" (meat and drink offerings), is the daily again. This is followed by the weekly, then the monthly and the seasonal festal (spring/fall) and thus includes "three times in the year", or yearly.

Notice the order.​

2 Chronicles 31:3 -

Notice:

2Ch 31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the LORD.

Notice the "burnt offerings: for the daily "morning and evening". This is followed by the weekly, then the monthly new moons, and then the seasonal festal (spring/fall), which would include the yearly again.

Notice the order.​

Nehemiah 10:33 -

Notice:

Neh 10:33 For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.

Notice the "continual" or daily. Then follows the weekly sabbaths, the monthly new moons, the seasonal festal (spring/fall)), and the ultimate "atonement" is on the Day of Atonement, which is yearly, again.

Notice the order.​

Isaiah 1:13-14 -

Notice:

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Isaiah is a little more interesting in that it is paralleled to itself. The "sabbaths" are specific to "appointed feasts" in their seasons, not the weekly 7th day the sabbath of the Lord. God would never tell His people to transgress His Law of Ten Commandments. however, He would make mention of those things which were to point forward to Christ Jesus that they were abusing.

Again this would teach, and increasing order, "new moons", "sabbaths (identified as those in the appointed feasts)".

Notice the order.​

Ezekiel 45:17 -

This is what Paul cites in Colossians 2:16 and already demonstrated to not be as you stated, but also in reverse of what you stated.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Notice the order. It is in increasing order, daily (offerings), seasonal festal, monthly new moons, yearly sabbaths, all dealing with the sanctuary services as context showed.​

Ezekiel 46:1-11 -

Notice, just an expansion of Ezekiel 45:17:

Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening.
Eze 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:5 And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Eze 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
Eze 46:7 And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Eze 46:8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.
Eze 46:9 But when the people of the land shall come before the LORD in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.
Eze 46:10 And the prince in the midst of them, when they go in, shall go in; and when they go forth, shall go forth.
Eze 46:11 And in the feasts and in the solemnities the meat offering shall be an ephah to a bullock, and an ephah to a ram, and to the lambs as he is able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.​

Notice the order.​

Hosea 2:11

Notice:

Hos 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Context, "her sabbaths", which are "[their] sabbaths", and is not God's Sabbath (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), as shown earlier. The fulfillment of Daniel 9.
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Finally, it is written:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Heb_10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,​

 

[3rdAngel]

Colossians 2:16:

[1] daily (meat and drink (offerings))
[2] seasonally (feast days, in their seasons, spring, fall)
[3] monthly (new moons)
[4] of year (sabbath days, yearly see Leviticus 23 & 25)​

Remember that Colossians 2:16 is citing Ezekiel 45:17:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.​

The entire context of Ezekiel 45 deals with "ordinances" of the worldly sanctuary, see below.

This same pattern is found throughout all of scripture, and thus when Paul refers to this pattern, when mentioning these particular sabbaths, it cannot ever be referring to the weekly cycle of 7 and the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord in the Ten Commandments.

Leviticus 23:1- 44, 25:1-22; Numbers 28:1-31; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Isaiah 1:13-14 (Isaiah, this is a unique, a parallelism within itself, case); Ezekiel 45:17, 46:1-11; Hosea 2:11, and see also Galatians 4:10; Colossians 2:16.​

Numbers 28:9-10 is the weekly 7th Day, since it states "the sabbath day", and "every sabbath", literally "sabbath to sabbath [Numbers 28:10 HOT Translit. - olat shaBat B'shaBaTô al-olat haTämiyd w'niš'KäH š, which is similar to Isaiah 66:23 HOT Translit. - w'häyäh miDëy-chodesh B'chäd'shô ûmiDëy shaBät B'shaBaTô yävô khäl-Bäsär l'hish'Tacháwot l'fänay ämar y'hwäh].

This is undisputed, and undisputable.

The 7th day is never listed last, and in Numbers 28 it is in increasing order (daily, weekly, seasonally, monthly, yearly). Even as in Leviticus 23, and Leviticus 25, followed by all the other materials, the daily meat and drink offerings, seasonal feast days, monthly new moons, and of years (yearly) sabbaths (7th and 50th years).

The remainder of the Bible follows that pattern, and so does Paul:

What was that pattern? Were the weekly listed last in any case? No. The Yearly typical sabbaths were always listed last.

Numbers 28:1-8 KJB, is the "continual" or "day by day" offerings, aka 'the daily'.

Numbers 28:9-10 KJB, is the "every sabbath" on "the sabbath day", which is the weekly 7th day Sabbath offerings.

Numbers 28:11-15 KJB, is the "beginnings of your months", and "every month", or monthly offerings.

Numbers 28:16-25 KJB is the "in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" and "in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread", which is the seasonal feast of Passover and of unleavened bread of the spring, and would be the spring seasonal offering, or even the first feast of the religious year offering.

Numbers 28:26-31 KJB is the "in the day of the firstfruits" and "after your weeks", or the seaonal wavesheaf offering along with Pentecost [feast of weeks], which basically closes the seasonal spring feasts.

Numbers 29:1-6 KJB continues them of the seasonal feasts "in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets", which is the seasonal fall feast of Trumpets and its offerings.

Numbers 29:7-11 KJB is the "have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein", "of atonement", or the seasonal fall feast of the day of atonement offering.

Numbers 29:12-40 KJB is the "on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days", which is the final seasonal fall feast of booths/ingathering/tabernacles offerings. Which completes the full offerings in the year.
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Absolutely! Good few posts and directly related to the OP. I am still in shock. Thanks so much!

 

[3rdAngel]

So summary of this thread is COLOSSIANS 2:16 is in reference to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in feast days of the old covenant and not God's 4th commandment weekly seventh day Sabbath that is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

God bless.

 

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