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Featured COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 3rdAngel, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member

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    What do you think?
     
  2. coconut theology

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    I think you'll say anything to justify transgression of the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) in its specific words.

    Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.​
     
  3. coconut theology

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    Mt. Olivet is to the east of Jerusalem, about a Sabbath days journey, and therefore Jerusalem isn't sitting on it in any way:

    Act_1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.​

    I think you like to make stuff up.
     
  4. sooda

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    Well, the Catholic church has certainly had some corrupt priests and popes.. but so has every other church right up to the present day.

    As for the Sabbath.. What was the first day of creation ? Was it a Monday?
     
  5. coconut theology

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    God said when the sabbath was in Genesis, and again in Exodus and again in the days of Jesus (for he sinned not), etc.

    What day did Jesus rise from the dead, that Christians supposedly celebrate? The day before is the Sabbath, the 7th day (Luke 23:54,56).

    US Naval Observatory - Sabbath - Time Has Not Been Lost.gif
    Royal Observatory  - Greenwich - Sabbath - Time Has Not Been Lost.gif
     
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  6. sooda

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    You have never been there, have you?

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  7. sooda

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    Really? How many calendars do you think there have been in the last 2500 years.. Did Exodus say Saturday?
     
  8. coconut theology

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    Notice, Mt Olivet is not within the confines of Jerusalem. Never was, never will be. The boundary was the Kidron. New Jerusalem will settle on Mt. Olivet (Zechariah 14; Revelation 20).
     
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    "Saturday" is pagan Roman time. It is not Bible time. Non-sequitur. Red-Herring. Straw man. Exodus said, "the seventh day". God spoke those words. He didn't stutter and God is the wonderful numberer.

    Jesus said:

    Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.​
     
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  10. 3rdAngel

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    Response...
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    Your response...
    The scriptures says...

    1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW ARE THERE MANY ANTICHRISTS; WHEREBY WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE LAST TIME.

    Your not following the conversation or the scriptures Soda (please read above) and try responding again.

    Only provided as a help to the conversation you do not seem to be following it very well.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    So, what you're saying is that we can't know which day is the 7th day because of the Roman calendar??
     
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    All that teach things that are different from what Jesus taught.
     
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  14. sooda

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    What Paul said Jesus taught, or Luke ?
     
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    What about what Paul said when he was speaking for himself?

    Galatians 5
    14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Matthew 22
    35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
    36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    38 This is the first and great commandment.
    39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
     
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    Rachel Corrie - Wikipedia
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    Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American activist and diarist. She was a member of a pro-Palestinian group called the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). She was killed by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) armored bulldozer in a combat zone in Rafah, in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, under contested circumstances during the height of the second Palestinian intifada.

    • Overview
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    She had gone to Gaza as part of her senior-year college assignment to connect her home town with Rafah in a sister cities project. While there, she had engaged with other International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activists in efforts to prevent the Israeli army's demolition of Palestinian houses. According to the Israeli authorities the demolitions were carried out to eliminate weapons-smuggling tunnels. Ac…
     
  17. coconut theology

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    Love God:

    Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
    Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:​

    Ten Commandments, context of Deuteronomy 6:1-6, etc is Deuteronomy 5.

    Love Neighbour:

    Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
    Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.​

    In the context of "sin", which is transgression of God's Law and name/character.
     
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    The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
     
  19. 3rdAngel

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    Here let me help. How many commandments are there in God's 10 Commandments that were written and spoken by God alone that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken?

    Are there 9, 10 or 613? The answer to this question is found in the scriptures here.. *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5.

    Do you know the difference between Gods eternal Law (10 Commandments) that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law that defines all the sanctuary laws, ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws for sin offerings, annual feastivals, Levitical priesthood as well as all the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL under the old covenant?

    Just trying to help the discussion :)
     
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  20. sooda

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    Moses is very likely a literary device since there is no evidence for the Exodus.

    Exodus was written more than 800 years after Moses.

    This would be the likely source.

    Code of Hammurabi - Wikipedia
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    The Code of Hammurabi is a well-preserved Babylonian code of law of ancient Mesopotamia, dated to about 1754 BC (Middle Chronology). It is one of the oldest deciphered writings of significant length in the world.


    The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, enacted the code. A partial copy exists on a 2.25-metre-tall (7.5 ft) stone stele. It consists of 282 laws, with scaled punishments, adjusting "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" (lex talionis) as graded based on social stratification depending on social status and gender, of slave versus free, man versus woman.
     
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