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Featured COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

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  1. metis

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    Unfortunately, but as I expected, you refused to both check out the 613 Commandments given to the people of Israel that includes the Sabbath Commandments (note that there is more then one), and also you clearly refused to go to a Judaism DIR for possible clarification dealing with what the Law refers to that goes well beyond just the Ten Commandments.

    When dealing with scripture, it's important to know who is being referred to besides just what the message is, but you do not recognize that. Some others here have told you the same thing, and yet all you do is to ignore reality.

    Paul said that those within the Church are not under the Law, but yet you blow him off. Jesus said that the Law ended with John the Baptist, and yet you blow him off as well. I can easily get those verses for you, or you can actually spend a bit of time looking them up for yourself.
     
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    In the particular view of Jews — not particularly in anyone else’s view.

    They jolly well can if they’re not Jews. Other religions are not bound to believe Jewish myth. You seem to think that this is some kind of historic fact. It’s not. It’s mythic. Other religions hold other myths to bring meaning to creation.
     
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    And unfortunately, as I keep pointing out, it has nothing to do with laws or commandments. God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. He wants us to remember and respect that day. No man can change what God made holy. Forget all laws and commandments. Respect the day God made holy. You refuse to see this one point.
     
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    So as a Christian you believe the Bible is a myth and God id not rest on the seventh day?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I’m certain that the creation myths are just that: myths — and myths borrowed from earlier Middle Eastern religions.
     
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    You are trying to have it both ways, but it ain't working. Either Shabbat observance is or is not a commandment for us to follow. The fact is that you simply do not understand Jewish Law and the simple fact that as Christians we simply are not under Jewish Law:
    Luke 16:16: “The Law and the prophets were in force until John.”

    Romans 6:14: “Sin will no longer have power over you; you are under grace, not under the Law.”

    7:6: “Now we are released from the Law.”

    10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law.”

    I Corinthians 7:19: “Circumcision counts for nothing.”

    Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”

    5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”

    5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”

    6:15: “It means nothing whether you are circumcised or not.”

    Ephesians 2:15: “In his own flesh he abolished the Law with its commands and precepts.”

    You say you believe in the Bible, not let's see whether you actually do.

    Either way, I'm moving on, so have a most Blessed Lords's Day (aka "Sunday"), because that's what the apostolic Church chose to do based on the power granted to it by Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
     
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    No. It does not.

    Shall/shall not are not words to worry about here. This not about keeping laws.

    This is about the gift of grace fulfilling the law.

    Because Jesus died for our sins, he is our Sabbath.
     
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    Hi Samantha, thankyou for being honest.
    Sorry Sam, not sure what your meaning is here can you explain this section?
    Indeed Sam, but how to we receive God's Grace and what it is for?
    JESUS cannot be a Sabbath IMO because according to the bibles definition, the SABBATH is a day. If your reading GENESIS 2:1-3 for example it does not make sense that JESUS created himself set himself apart, blessed himself and made himself holy. Is there any scripture that says JESUS is a Sabbath? I do not know of any although I have heard these claims before but when I examined the scriptures I could not find any evidence of these claims.

    Thanks for sharing Samantha :)
     
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    You say good things here but also I must disagree with some of it. I can prove that the sabbath day was a "shadow law" as you call it. Which is to mean it was a law which was to foreshadow the real sabbath of God.

    You know that God rests on the 7th day? (Genesis 2:2) and therefore they were given the sabbath to observe every 7 days.

    But ... if you read Genesis 2:2 carefully you will find that God rests from all his work on that day. That means all the work of God was finished. Everything was already done.

    This is what Paul is referring to in Hebrews 4:3 when he says that the "works" were finished from the foundation of the world. This "foundation of the world" is the original 7 days of creation. God had already completed all His work and was therefore resting.

    For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (Hebrews 4:3)


    Yet ... we see that God certainly still works and has not finished His work yet. Like Jesus says in so many words, until now my Father works.

    But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (John 5:17)


    And we're even commanded to give God no rest until He makes Jerusalem(That is the new Jerusalem for the spiritually discerning) a praise in the earth.

    And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth. (Isaiah 62:7)


    So, it should be becoming clear now that God still works and therefore we cannot have reached the 7th day yet. That means that for us this "sabbath" when God rests is future tense for us. Yes, God will rest but only when the new Jerusalem is finished.

    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (John 14:2)


    But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. (Isaiah 65:18)


    Because this is the only place God has chosen for His rest.

    This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:14)


    Which proves that the sabbath cannot happen until God finishes building the new Jerusalem. Otherwise He won't rest.

    Now to answer the question: what gives God rest?

    The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. (Zephaniah 3:17)



    God is love and God rests in love. Because love by itself is unfulfilled. It won't rest because it lives for others. But when He is with His people in the new Jerusalem then He will rest in His love for them. So that is the true 7th day of God that is coming when God rests in His love in the new Jerusalem. Which is the real and true "finished creation" when God says that all things are good which they will be.

    So it goes to show a house is for people to rest in. And there was no house that could contain Him. Nor did the house Solomon built give God rest. (Isaiah 66:1) But yet God's objective was clear from the beginning. That is He wanted to find a place of rest. So He builds His house first and then He rests in it.

    I say all that to say that this proves that the sabbath once per week is a "shadow" of what is to come. That is the foreshadow of the true sabbath of God when He rests in the new Jerusalem when all His work is finished.

    Therefore, the sabbath day of Moses is indeed a "shadow" law as you call it. That is a ritualistic observance designed to teach us about spiritual truths.

    Which is why Colossians 2:16-17 says that sabbaths are "a shadow" of things to come. Specifically the sabbaths are a shadow of the rest of God in the new Jerusalem.

    Therefore, I conclude that to "observe" the sabbath now is to simply enjoy the peace (which passes all understanding) that God's Spirit provides. As this is the same "River of Life" that will flow in the new Jerusalem in the "sabbath" day that is coming. Also, it is the "earnest of our inheritance" which is the down payment on the complete sabbath that God will share with us.

    which is why Jesus says "I will give you rest".
    We could never write down the perfect Law of liberty ... That's why it's left unwritten except in the heart. The Law of Moses was a guide to keep people in the way before God gave the true Law of the Spirit that cannot be written down. As the book of wisdom says about wisdom that it is more "flowing than anything". So is the Spirit of God. Basically, the Spirit of God has zero viscosity and can't really be channeled through legalese. And it cannot be contained in writings or else the voice of He whose voice is like that of many "waters" (Revelation 1:15) would fill all the world and beyond with books. (John 21:25)

    Because the Spirit of God is not restricted unless we do it ourselves. God wrote it on tablets of stone to show the stony nature of their unregenerate heart. They weren't born again or spiritual and so their hearts were "hardened" and could not be subject to the Law of God. As indeed the scripture says that all such hearts are naturally at enmity with God. But, God promised He would give them a new heart of "flesh" (Ezekiel 36:26) which is Jesus. Literally the "Word made flesh". (John 1:14) And He would put a new Spirit in them which is the Spirit of truth. Why new? Because of the new Covenant. The new Covenant is not hard to understand. It is resurrection. It's a new life from the dead. It's a new deal. The beginning of God's sabbath.
     
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    And Jesus is the Day star. (2 Peter 1:19) Yes He can be a sabbath indeed.

    Note the following verses:

    Isaiah 11:10
    And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

    Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)
     
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    Jesus dying for our sins does not give us a free pass to break the law. Do you really think you can steal or kill because Jesus died?
     
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    And my hope is that we are standing near each other on judgement day. One of us is going to be very happy and one not so much. I am happy placing my fate in believing God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. Your fate is in the hands of someone who does not believe in what God has said and done. Again, good luck.
     
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    I’m confident in the power of God to save.

    I’m happy placing my faith in the power of God to save.

    My faith is in God.
     
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    There is no scripture that says JESUS is a Sabbath. I believe in the bible the SABBATH is only ever defined as the "seventh day" of the week *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11; MATTHEW 12:8. I believe according to the scriptures that JESUS is the "LORD OF THE SABBATH" that is, he is the maker and creator of it, that he set apart and blessed and made a holy day of rest for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28; GENESIS 2:1-3. I am sorry but I could not honestly see anything in the scriptures you have provided that says JESUS is the Sabbath. The scriptures alone, only define the Sabbath as "the seventh day of the week" *GENESIS 2:1-3; MATTHEW 12:8; EXODUS 8:10.

    Thanks for sharing. I will respond further to your other post in detail when I get some time

    blessings
     
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    Hi 74x12, nice to see you again. I have provided some comments below.

    I believe many people make a mistake here. Do you know that according to the scriptures there are many different kinds of Sabbaths in the Old Testament scriptures? Also the HEBREW and GREEK words used for Sabbath are different?

    For example we have the following Sabbaths and word meanings and application...

    Old Testament

    1. Seventh day weekly Sabbath of rest
    This is God's 4th commandment that God made for all mankind as a "memorial" of creation *EXODUS 20:8-11 and is "set apart from all the other days of the week" by God as a "Holy day of rest" which God "blessed". According to the new testament scriptures it says JESUS is LORD (creator) of *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11; MARK 2:27-28 of the "seventh day Sabbath of creation that he made for all mankind.

    2. Annual ceremonial feastival sabbath (plural) of Leviticus 23; Colossians 2:16-17.
    The annual feast days included days of Holy convocation (no work and gathering of the people to worship God *LEVITICUS 23:5-7. The timing of the annual feasts days where done at the "new moons" at set times in the year once a year for each feast day. All the annual feast days had burn't offerings and sin offerings and "meat and drink offerings" Some of these feast days had "special ceremonial Sabbath" that were connected to these annual feast days (not God's memorial seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment). These special ceremonial sabbaths could fall on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK depending on the yearly cycle of the feast days and were not God's 4th commandment. For example these special ceremonial sabbath plural that were not God's 4th commandment memorial Sabbath, and were on any day of the week, were held according to the scriptures on "THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS" *LEVITICUS 23:24; "THE DAY OF ATONEMENT" *LEVITICUS 23:32 and the "FEAST OF BOOTHS" *LEVITICUS 23:39.

    A few things woth pointing out here at this time is the HEBREW and GREEK word meanings here. As can be seen above the same English word is used for sabbath (singular) when applied to God's memorial weekly 4th commandment and also the "special ceremonial annual feastival sabbath (plural) but the Hebrew words are different here. Let's compare the HEBREW words used in God's "seventh day" Sabbath of rest (singular) and the "annual feastival sabbath" plural.

    Word meanings

    1. God's 4th commandment Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).
    The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the "ceremonial Sabbath of H7677". The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

    This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation or a "SHADOW LAW" because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind as a part of a finished work before sin and Gods' 10 commandments. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

    Now let's look at the Hebrew word used in Leviticus 23 for the annual ceremonial Sabbath...

    2. The ceremonial Sabbath plural are part of the law of Moses and are only applied in Leviticus 23 to the special annual holiday sabbath and days of holy convocation (gathering of the people) connected to feast days; When used in reference to the weekly Sabbath it is distinguished from the other sabbath as "the holy Sabbath of rest" *EXODUS 16:23; LEVITICUS 23:3 and the yearly sabbath of the land *LEVITICUS 25:4. The application of the Hebrew Word used here in Leviticus 23 H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn always makes a disticntion between God's "HOLY SABBATH OF REST" *GENESIS 2:1-3 and also uses a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn From H7676; when applied to the annual sabbaths and means a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath.

    3. Sabbath in GREEK has different meaning and applications
    Sabbath From G4521 σάββατον sabbaton Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

    “SABBATH” (SABBATON) which is different to the HEBREW Word meaning which provides a different meaning depending on it’s application and can mean;

    1. “the SABBATH (God’s 4th commandment)” or
    2. “ANY DAY OF REST OR REPOSE FROM SECULAR WORK” or
    3. “A SEVEN DAY WEEK”


    Depending on the words applcaion within the scriptures, all the word definitions listed above can be applied in singular form or in plural application. This means ALL the ANNUAL FEAST days that were not the SEVENTH DAY but where no work was to be done are also translated as SABBATON in the Greek. So in application to Colossians 2:16 Sabbath (Sabbaton) referring to the annual ceremonial sabbath in ordinances can even refer to days of "Holy convercation" were no work was to be done.

    Let's compare the above annual feastival sabbath plural which are not God's 4th commandment to other parts of the scriptures in the Old testament. We have shown above that the annual sabbath plural are connected to the annual feast days in the days of "Holy convocation", "feast of trumpets" and the "feast of tabernacles" of Leviticus 23 and they can fall on any day of the week and they are not God's 4th commandment "Holy Sabbath" We have also shown that these "special annual sabbath" plural and days of "holy convocation" are ceremonial sabbath that are timed by the seasons of the "New Moon" they have sin offerings, burn't offerings and "meat and drink offerings". Let's look at some parrallel old testament scriptures..

    continued...
     
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    Notice the order of these scriptures which are in relation to the annual feastivals and special ceremonial sabbath plural that are not God's 4th commandment...

    COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT OR IN DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY (feast day), or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY (or Sabbath plural):

    EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give "BURNT OFFERINGS", and "MEAT OFFERINGS", and "DRINK OFFERINGS", "IN THE FEASTS", and in the "NEW MOONS", and in the "SABBATH" (plural), in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

    HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, her FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS plural, and all her SOLEMN FEASTS.

    EZEKIEL 46:6 [6] And in the day of the NEW MOON it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. [7] And he shall prepare a MEAT OFFERING, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

    ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATH plural, THE CALLING OF ASSEMLIES (days of Holy convocation in the annual feast days), I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    Now let's be honest here, what do you think PAUL is referring to in Colossians 2:16 in regards to sabbath? He is referring to the annual "SHADOW SABBATH" plural connected to the annual "FEAST DAYS". Note that all references supplied are in reference to the annual feast days and use the exact same scripture as Paul is using in COLOSSIANS 2:16. These are the shadow ceremonial sabbath plural in "ORDINANCES"

    HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE (Shadow) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    EPHESIANS 2:15 [1]5, HAVING ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES (not tables of stone - book of the law); for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

    HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10 {1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the Sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sense at all

    JOHN 6:55 [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT indeed, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK indeed.

    HEBREWS 10:7-12 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, WHICH HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    The ceremonial laws of the old are fulfilled in the new. New covenant...blood

    LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

    HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

    ............

    Summary; I believe Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual feastivals and special ceremonial sabbaths in ordinances not God's 4th commandment which is a weekly memorial of creation which is one of God's 10 commandments. It is impossible for the weekly Sabbath of creation as given in GENESIS 2:1-3 to be a SHADOW sabbath law as there was no sin, when it was created for mankind and it was a part of the finished work of creation set apart and blessed by God as a holy day of rest.

    blessings :)
     
  20. 74x12

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    Jesus is the "Sun of righteousness" (Malachi 4:2) that will a rise with healing in His wings. And it's written that the new earth will have no need of a sun for God will be the Light of it and the Lamb will be the Lamp. (Revelation 21:23) Maybe you can see where this is going. In that day there will be no sun; only Jesus and so the Light of that day will be Jesus. And This is why He will be the Sabbath or the day of God's rest in the new Jerusalem. Because the Light is day.

    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:5)

    This is the day spoken of in Hebrews 4:7. The day of God's rest that is coming.

    Buuut ... not only will Jesus rise then; but He rises now in our hearts if we'll have Him.

    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (2 Peter 1:19)

    So then first the Day Star will arise in our hearts and that happens now if we Let Him and then in the end He will shine in the new Jerusalem and so enlighten the whole earth. Because we are the new Jerusalem if we believe. Then we are "living stones" built up as the temple of God. And so the Light of God will shine in us and so enlighten the world.

    So in conclusion we can have the Lord of Sabbath the "Sun of Righteousness" arise in our hearts now and so there will be Sabbath day in our heart right now first. And then in the end it will fill all the earth.

    This is why in Isaiah 28:11-12 the gift of the holy Spirit is called the "rest" and the refreshing. Because when you receive the holy Spirit that's the earnest of your inheritance or the down payment of the full sabbath day that is coming in the city of God. This way you will have a foretaste of that heavenly gift. (Hebrews 6:4) The Sabbath day of rest of God Almighty.

    Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. (Paul links this with gift of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14)


    Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (Matthew 3:11)

    Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

    Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. (John 4:10)

    So it's inner peace and joy of the holy Spirit that is the Sabbath day right now my friend.

    God bless
     
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