Featured COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

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[6.] The '613' number is for some calculated on Gematraic principles, with differing reasons or starting points by differing Rabbis, and for this reason, some disagree that it should be said number, for instance:

"... I disagree there are 613 Mitzvot because the explanation for the number is based on gematria, however the gematria of the Torah is not Standard. Instead of the letters Shin and Tav having the value of 300 and 400, they are valued at 3 and 4, and using this most secret gematria the number of Mitzvot would be 217 (31 × 7). However 613 is discovered with this gematria in the opening verses of Genesis so it is still a very significant gematria number.

We first get the idea of 613 mitzvot from Rabbi Simlai:

From Makkot 24a:

"דרש רבי שמלאי שש מאות ושלש עשרה מצות נאמרו לו למשה שלש מאות וששים וחמש לאוין כמנין ימות החמה ומאתים וארבעים ושמונה עשה כנגד איבריו של אדם אמר רב המנונא מאי קרא (דברים לג, ד) תורה צוה לנו משה מורשה תורה בגימטריא שית מאה וחד סרי הוי אנכי ולא יהיה לך מפי הגבורה שמענום

§ Rabbi Simlai taught: There were 613 mitzvot stated to Moses in the Torah, consisting of 365 prohibitions corresponding to the number of days in the solar year, and 248 positive mitzvot corresponding to the number of a person’s limbs. Rav Hamnuna said: What is the verse that alludes to this? It is written: “Moses commanded to us the Torah, an inheritance of the congregation of Jacob” (Deuteronomy 34:4). The word Torah, in terms of its numerical value [gimatriyya], is 611, the number of mitzvot that were received and taught by Moses our teacher. In addition, there are two mitzvot: “I am the Lord your God” and: “You shall have no other gods” (Exodus 20:2, 3), the first two of the Ten Commandments, that we heard from the mouth of the Almighty, for a total of 613."[1]

However the word תורה is valued at 215; Tav:4 + Vav:6 + Resh:200 + Heh:5 = 215. So if we add the two for the first two commandments the people heard at Sinai: 215 + 2 = 217.

Regarding the number of צִיצִית which is supposed to equal the number of Mitzvot:

Rashi "וזכרתם את כל מצות ה'. שֶׁמִּנְיַן גִּימַטְרִיָּא שֶׁל צִיצִית שֵׁשׁ מֵאוֹת, וּשְׁמוֹנָה חוּטִין וַחֲמִשָּׁה קְשָׁרִים הֲרֵי תרי"ג (תנחומא): You will remember all of Adonoy’s commandments. As the numerical value of צִיצִית is 600, and the eight threads and five knots equal 613."[2]

צִיצִית = 204

plus 8 threads and 5 knots = 217.

You can check the sums on this gematria calculator which uses the correct gematria of the Torah; Shematria

Vilna Gaon in Orot Hagra also disagreed that 613 was the correct number, saying;

It definitely cannot be said that only 613, and no more, come under the category of mitzvot. For if so, there are only three mitzvot from Berei**** until Bo, and many portions of the Torah contain no mitzvot. That is not plausible… The mitzvot are thus multitudinous beyond enumeration… ..." - Are there really 613 Mitzvot? : Gematria

[7.] Moses specifically said by inspiration of God, that what God spoke and wrote at Mt. Sinai with His own voice and finger from Heaven were "the ten commandments". God came down upon Mt. Sinai in awesome majesty, with the whole mountain covered in the fire of the presence of the Holy Angels of God, so that none but those whom God called up were able to come near.

Exo_34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deu_10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

In each place the Hebrew word "[1697] dabar" is used, as the Ten Commandments are not merely laws or commands, but individual promises of God each that He would perform in those who would walk in His covenant. More on that later as needful.

[8.] The "ten commandments" that God spake in Person to all the people without the mediator Moses, were a complete Law, nothing further being added unto them, except later as to be written in a scroll/book through a mediator (Moses):

Deu_5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

[9.] The "ten commandments" were written by God's own finger originally on sapphire stone and which second set was placed into the "pattern" Ark of the Covenant in the earthly tabernacle (Exodus 25:16,21).

[10.] The other precepts, statutes, laws, commands, ordinances, etc were all given by God through the mediator Moses, to be written by Moses' hand, and placed not inside of the Ark, but to be placed in the side of the Ark:

Deu_31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

So, while important, God makes distinction, by several means. The many other things which God gave fall under the umbrella of the Ten Commandments:

Psa_119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

and as such '613' probably wouldn't even come close to the depth of God's Ten Commandments, which are the expansion of His perfect character of Love, which itself is expressed in the greatest (Deuteronomy 6:5) and second greatest commandments (Leviticus 19:17-18) (both of whose contexts are the Ten Commandments, see Deut. 5, etc).

[11.] The '613' enumeration only considers material within the texts of the Torah (Gen-Deut), and not any other material from the Nevi'im or Ketuvim, as if God somehow stopped talking and giving commands through men, priests or prophets or kings, see Isaiah 8:20 (Law and Testimony)

[12.] Even from a basic search of scripture, the Torah itself makes differences between words:

Gen 26:5 KJB Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen 26:5 KJB Str. BecauseH6118 thatH834 AbrahamH85 obeyedH8085 my voice,H6963 and keptH8104 my charge,H4931 my commandments,H4687 my statutes,H2708 and my laws.H8451

Gen 26:5 HOT עקב אשׁר־שׁמע אברהם בקלי וישׁמר משׁמרתי מצותי חקותי ותורתי׃

Gen 26:5 HOT Str. עקבH6118 אשׁרH834 שׁמעH8085 אברהםH85 בקליH6963 וישׁמרH8104 משׁמרתיH4931 מצותיH4687 חקותיH2708 ותורתי׃H8451 (apologies for how this posts, not much can be done about that, I used highligher to mark the beginning and ending, so while the sentence reads left to right, each individual word correctly reads right to left)

Gen 26:5 HOT Translit. ëqev ásher-shäma av'rähäm B'qoliy waYish'mor mish'mar'Tiy mitz'wotay chuQôtay w'tôrotäy

Notice the distinction made between H4687 (mitzvot) and H8451 (torah), which is again found in Exodus 16:28,

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

This should suffice for now.

 

If the Bible says this fact, I believe we should follow and obey what it says.
Now if we continue to be stubborn and ignore what is written, then we really deserve to suffer our folly.

As I have shown, that the Sabbath has been abolished / repealed / withdrawn by God, 700 years before Jesus Christ was born and this fact could be found in Lamentations, Isaiah and Hosea, centuries before apostle Paul wrote Colossians 2:16-23. The Jews like the Pharisees practiced Sabbath but this was ignored by the Lord Jesus Christ and his disciples because they knew it is DEFUNCT. Jesus worked on the Sabbath and the Pharisees were pissed off.

The Sabbath was ordered observed by God for the Israelites
The Israelites made the Sabbath an abomination
That is why the Lord God ended the Sabbath

Isaiah 1:13-15 New International Version (NIV)
Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

But if you want to continue like the rest in observing Sabbath



It is a personal choice to celebrate a defunct repealed and abolished Sabbath
It is the same as celebrating a man made celebration or a pagan introduced celebration

But for me, when the Lord God said STOP, I obey
The disobedient would GO when he sees a red light




It is pretty obvious that when a doctrine couldn't be defended, it is false
It is really hard to defend what is false and it is easy to explain what is right.
The bible talks and when it talks, its about the truth

 

It was the prophet Zephaniah through whom the Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything 'ON EARTH', All human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken. . . . . . . . . "On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold and silver will save them. The whole 'EARTH' will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end----a sudden end----to everyone who lives 'ON EARTH.' "

The weekly Sabbath, said Paul, in Colossians 2: 17; was but a shadow of the reality in the future, which is the Great Sabbath, the Lords day of one thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

The future reality of which the weekly Sabath was but a shadow, is the seventh day from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

As all physical life forms on this planet are to be destroyed immediately after the thousand year rule of Christ is ended, and we are now approaching the close of the 6th period of one thousand years and the beginning of the seventh day, we can now see the future reality of the weekly Sabbath as revealed by Paul.

 

I am sorry, I am not an Israelite to follow the SABBATH
It is not for me.

I am sorry, my God stopped the SABBATH
How can obey when he stopped it?

I am sorry, the Lord Jesus Christ worked every SABBATH
It is wrong to work in a SABBATH said the Pharisees
I am sorry I have to follow Christ not the Pharisees

Now if you think you are qualified to observe the Sabbath
even if you are not an Israelite....
If you think you can still observe the Sabbath
even if God Almighty put an end to that....
If you think you should stop work on the Sabbath
even if Jesus worked on every Sabbath....

 

Read them old mate, nothing more than a hodge podge of scriptures taken completely out of the context in which they were intended. in other words, just another load of rubbish. If I had not revealed to you the truth as to the future reality of which the weekly Sabbath is but a shadow, as revealed by Paul, you would now, not be living in denial of God's truth.

Goodnight.

 

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you do during Sabbath?

a) Do nothing like....


b) or have fun the whole day?

 

Hi 3rdAngel,

You say this:
"The New Testament is in agreement as to which day is the seventh day of the week. One of the most straight-forward references is found in Luke 23:53-56 & Luke 24:1, and describes Joseph of Arimathaea taking the body of Jesus down off the cross. “Then he took it [the body of Jesus] down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.”

This Bible passage shows the chronology of the week including how the Sabbath day and the first day of the week relate to each other. According to Luke 23:54, Jesus died on the preparation day which we now call Good Friday. The next day, Sabbath, the women rested according to the commandment. Finally, after the Sabbath, on the first day of the week, Jesus was resurrected. Therefore, according to the Bible, the Sabbath day can be pinpointed as the day before the first day of the week. Today, we call this day Saturday or the seventh day of the week. In addition, ask any Christian which day comes between Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday—their answer, Saturday.

Preparation day or sixth day = Friday
Sabbath day or seventh day = Saturday
Resurrection day or first day = Sunday"

As a fellow lover of God's Word, you must have asked yourself this question; Did Jesus remain in the tomb for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40)? Was Jesus, therefore, crucified on a Friday?

I have something else I would like you to consider. Sabbath days do not appear in scripture until after the Exodus from Egypt (God's original Sabbath excepted). Did the Patriarchs follow Sabbath observance? If they did not observe the Sabbath, then the Sabbath must be considered a thing of the Mosaic Law (Exodus 16:22-26).

 

Take more time to read, and more slowly at that, cautiously, carefully, and you will not leap to such outrageous and erroneous conclusions. I did not call you an anti-nomian, nor state that you taught what they do. Read again, please:

There are clearly two groups of people identified in that sentence. I stated that what you did (as a Noahidden) was like unto what another group (anti-nomian) do all the time, namely attempt to bring in a so-called '613' mitzvot. I then proceeded to show the sandy foundation of doing so.

A Noahidden is merely the flip-side of the coin to anti-nomianism. It is just the converse extremism. All Law and no Jesus, as opposed to All Jesus and no Law., each reaches the same conclusion. Death. I am not here to argue any of this in this thread, as it is non-OP, but, merely correcting a previous thought and left it at that, and so still do.

 

Most persons misunderstand the phrase 3 days and 3 nights, and the phrase in the heart of the earth, which has nothing to do with the exclusive time of burial of Jesus in the tomb. If you want a detailed analysis of that, I can so provide, in another thread, that if you ask me to start, I will. Jesus was crucified , as what you say, 'on a Friday', scripturally, 'preparation', the 6th day of the week, and rose the 'first [day] of the week' (even understanding I know when this was according to scripture), but am not here in this thread to discuss it further. The OP is Colossians 2:16.