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Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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Capitalism works with similar principles as evolution and natural selection. This is why it is successful. Like in nature, animals are required to take care of themselves; survival of the individual. They may get assistance at birth but quickly learn to fend for themselves. There is no welfare state in nature. Every critter has to assist their own needs or become food for other critters who also work for a living.

A herd of deer do not have certain assigned members who stockpile grass to feed the lazy deer; Socialism. Each deer, as part of group has to feed themselves. This spreads the work, teaching everyone to be able to control their environment, allowing maximum survival for all, even if the group was to disperse. A socialism animal system, if dispersed is half dead in the water. This is not natural and has no selective advantage. This is not natural.

If humans were few in number, lived in a tropical paradise with a perfect year round climate, and plenty of year round natural food, only the babies and small children would be assisted by the parents and siblings. In a short time, each would be trained to become self sufficient; feed yourself, in a land with plenty for all. Natural is not about being a baby forever; Socialism.

Humans, unfortunately, breed beyond the natural limits of balanced environments, due to choice, free will and the pleasure principle. This stresses the environment, making it harder for all to feed themselves. If the human brain was integrated with nature, the brain would tell us when to breed, so a balance was always there for all. But pleasure, is a carrot on a string, that allows choices beyond eco-optimization.

This overbreeding, by will, choice and pleasure can causes an increasingly larger group to disperse, over more territory. This can lessen optimization, which then requires more effort, by all, for self survival. If the human cockroaches do not get a handle on reproduction, many will get driven into harsher and harsher lands with less and less natural opportunity. Natural selection is still in affect, but the circumstances are no longer paradise, with attrition thinning the herd, until a new steady state can be reached. There, all will learn to work to survive and thrive.

Capitalism, connected to civilization, was a way to create more opportunity, due to overbreeding, in harsher environments. It created a system of common value; money, so there is less stress on one area of the ecosystem. If we had plenty of apples, the natural inertia is for all to eat just apples. But this may not be enough for all, all year long. Common value spreads the work for annual survival over more side avenues; fish, roots, wheat, flour, herding, milk, cheese, etc., with trade a means to share our efforts, while widening the bounty opportunity for all. Not everyone is good at cheese making, but with shared value, II can target and specialize my work; wheat, and trade common value,s to get the same result. This is more efficient use of human resources, it opens new niches for all, and allows survival for all.

Capitalism has been extrapolated to beyond the objective niches needed for survival and thriving. Some of these new niches are given too much subjective value, while others get less value for the same effort. If you sew designer clothes or sew common clothes, the sewer get the same value, but the clothes are the not the same value at the store. This is not the fault of capitalism, but is a subjective addendum that should be addressed, so every person's effort should allow them to gain similar common value for efforts.

I've often heard this about capitalism, that it's just an extension of natural law and often justified on that basis. It's survival of the fittest. Sometimes this view is associated with Social Darwinism.

But that same viewpoint is what led humanity to two world wars and was a major factor in the Cold War which might have gone nuclear. It could have meant the end of us all - and much of the rest of the natural world, for that matter. Is it in our nature to destroy ourselves?

In the natural world, there's no such thing as human rights, no law, no Constitution - and no religion either. There are no morals. It is the law of the jungle.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the natural world, there's no such thing as human rights, no law, no Constitution - and no religion either. There are no morals. It is the law of the jungle.
There is no economic system or political system
that inherently has good morals. Tis up to people
to continually strive against evil.
I recommend the empirical approach, ie, consider
all examples, & select those with the best record.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Humans have two centers of consciousness; the inner self and the ego. The inner self is older and is connected to natural instinct. Animals have an inner self. The ego is much newer; secondary core, and is only common to humans. It appears to have evolved about 6000-10,000 years ago with the start of civilization. The ego is the main problem with capitalism. The problem is not the inner self, since capitalism is an extrapolation of instinct.

When animals hunt or forage, there is no moral judgment between each other, since they act using natural instinct. This is an optimized system based on long term trends in nature. It is all good. This neutral impulse is from the inner self, which is morally neutral.

The ego is the center what judges in terms of right and wrong. This is symbolized by eating of the tree of learned knowledge of good and evil. The inner self is innate knowledge based on instinct. The ego substitutes conscious knowledge; cultural, for innate instinct, causing an inner polarization; conflict with the inner self or the older primary center.

For example, the vegan ego will judge against eating meat even if this is natural for humans, since the human body can digest it. It is learned knowledge and not innate. Animals do not judge this way, but follow their inner voice of instinct, and do what is natural, without judgment.

In my previous post; capitalism in paradise, I was speaking from the POV of the inner self, extrapolating the needs of the group, as it expands into increasingly tougher environments. Once the ego appears, the bigger picture connected to natural instinct is slowly lost and individual egos begin to become the center of their own universe. They lose the group cohesion of the holographic inner self and paradise.

Religions tend to favor the inner self over the ego. Religions place restrictions on the ego; will and choice, so the inner self is able to a become more conscious, leading the ego via the natural laws of human instinct. But the ego forms it's own self centered POV, which creates conflict. Even good things get twisted or are forced to integrate around a self serving ego. The Natural selection of the inner self becomes the Darwinian survival of the fittest ego. This is rarely optimized for all, so constant conflict appears.

Part of the problem is most people assume the ego is the center of consciousness and the inner self is nothing more than the repressed garbage from the ego; shadow. There is a wall between the ego and the older inner self, so the ego could develop. But the next step was to become an inner self with the advantages offered by a secondary core.

The ego can provide a way to rapidly interface humans; thought and communication, while also maintaining spatial integration via the inner self; return to paradise. The wise and benevolent dictator can move the minds and hearts of herd, in the right direction, in minimal time, leading to natural selection. But such is rare so ego bugs appear that spoil the good that should have appeared.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
There is no economic system or political system
that inherently has good morals. Tis up to people
to continually strive against evil.
I recommend the empirical approach, ie, consider
all examples, & select those with the best record.

I think a large part of the problem comes from the philosophy and mindset which motivates system-building in the first place. I've noticed that many people make ideological adherence to a system a higher priority than morals, common sense, or even practical necessity.

There are so many issues and problems which could be resolved today, but so many people at all levels of society wring their hands and lament "there's nothing we can do." That's because they're thinking in terms of ideology and not about physical possibilities.

As an example, most cities and towns in America have a certain percentage of homeless people on the streets. There are also empty buildings and houses which also exist. It seems a simple solution to take over these empty domiciles and put the homeless people in there. The problem could be easily solved today, since all of this does exist right now. But too many act so helpless about it, "No, we can't do that, because ideology."

Healthcare and education are two other areas where one might see the ideological bent again rearing its ugly head, even though society has the resources and the physical ability to deal with these issues in a similar manner.

I will also concede that the USSR was similarly ideologically hobbled, which I consider the main reason they failed.

Religion can also be an enormous ideological barrier.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Capitalism works with similar principles as evolution and natural selection. This is why it is successful. [...]
In that the whole process occurs randomly with seemingly no rhyme or reason, and in that we die senselessly, and any supposed benefits can only be seen when zoomed out at the level of large populations and species? Actually, I think I agree.
 
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