Seems to me it might be wiser to hobble men somehow, to keep them from doing what they oughtn't.
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CNN, MSNBC Ignores Rape and Cover up of Girl by Boy In Dress in Gender Fluid Bathroom
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Do they padlock the doors? The kid also forced a girl into a classroom to rape her. Bathroom policy would not have stopped him from raping.
Suave
Simulated character
You doubt he could have skirted around getting caught without there being a trans policy?
Suave
Simulated character
Chemical castration perhaps?
Bodie
Member
When there are so many more important things like:
and this from WAPO:
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Well... to be sure, he still could have walked into the girl's bathroom. It's just that someone would be more likely to take specific note of this as an infraction. Were no one around in either case, then it may not matter what the bathroom was labeled. Labels do not impossibilities make.
Suave
Simulated character
Really though, the media should dare ask Joe Biden something other than a softball question; maybe something like Who do you want to win the World Series? To which Joe Biden might reply: The Brooklyn Dodgers. Or maybe he'd reply. Who's playing in the World Series!
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Exactly! And since cis men also rape other men and cis women also rape other women, the issue here doesn't appear to be preventing rape, but using a rape case as an excuse to deny transgender rights.
Well, no, obviously.
But I didn't take kindly to the suggestion that somehow the problem is women being out and "available" in public, when in fact the fault, in a sexual assault, is ALWAYS to perpetrator. ALWAYS. And I don't care if a woman makes herself up to look absolutely irresistible. She has the right to do that, and men, no matter how randy, have the obligation to leave her alone if she wishes to be left alone.
Look, I'm a gay guy, and let me tell you, living in a boy's boarding school, showering multiple times every day in communal spaces was anything but easy for me. (I have a pretty good poker face, but unfortunately, naked in the shower, there is another sort of "tell" that gave me away repeatedly. Fortunately, teen boys are often in a rampant state of affairs, so maybe it wasn't that noticeable.)
That last aside notwithstanding, even though there were completely naked guys all around me, my first obligation was not to touch any of them in a way that I could surmise they may not wish to be touched. It was all on ME. AS it should be.
What's your opinion on the widespread use of gender neutral bathrooms in countries like Sweden, and how informative is this for Americans?
Bodie
Member
Sweden has a completely different culture and one of the lowest crime rates in the world and also one of the most comfortable prison systems, people in the U.S. would commit crimes just to go to prison if we had the same. Different cultures, different values, different results.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's an angle I hadn't considered.
As has been pointed out numerous times, signs don't stop sexual assault. And an empty classroom will do just as well, and did, as a bathroom. This isn't about protecting victims, it's about trying to keep trans people out of sight. And it's not even very sensible, since a masculine presenting trans man being forced to be in a women's bathroom (or even a sufficiently masc presenting cis woman) causes just as much immature pearl clutching.
The vast majority of trans people just want to pee. And you need no more worry about them than the vast majority of pastors or republican senators.
The vast majority of trans people just want to pee. And you need no more worry about them than the vast majority of pastors or republican senators.
Do you think they represent a 'woke social experiment'?
Whoopsy --- [giggles]
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yep. Extremely limited cases are not what one should base case law on.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
What happened was a direct result of the trans policy. What ifs are irrelevant.
Bodie
Member
Interesting, I dont think anyone including myself said anything about trans people but it seems you need to frame the discussion in such a manner to support a certain viewpoint. Data shows very few trans people are sexually violent and none attempted to make the case that they were. What is important is the fact that school administrators created the situation, the boy in the skirt was clearly a sexial predator, and after the rape it was covered up and the boy was sent to another school where he sexually assaulted another girl. Add to that they wrote a letter to the white house wanting the father to be claimed a domestic terrorist for wanting to hold them accountable. the only pearl clutching here is some attempting to make this an anti-trans issue to deflect from the facts of the case.
Bodie
Member
No, it just goes along with their long history of tolerance which is ingrained in Swedish society.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
What happened was the direct result of the kid being a rapist.
Specifically connecting the event to allowing trans folks to use certain bathrooms is just a way to justify transphobia.