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CMB Electro Magnetic waves only seen on earth

joelr

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No evidence can refute the solar system. The solar system and area is the fishbowl. If we are talking about this solar system there is time here. Really. In all of the space in this solar system there is time also. When you take a huge swath of this solar system and want to use it in a triangle to the stars, you are dealing with more than just space. You also are dealing with time. You cannot divest space of time.

You do not know what effect time has on space and space on time. If both or either were different in deep space that means we can neither say how much space out there is involved or time. We can only say how much fishbowl space is involved. (apparently you are not even aware that time also exists here) All you are trying to do is take time and space of the fishbowl here, and draw a line to the stars as if that time and space were the same all the way. You do not know that. Really. Man has not even been a light day away with probes.


The laws of physics, including photons are theorized to be universal. The phenomenon we see throughout the universe require that the same laws are being followed in all the observable universe.
Stars form the same as do all other phenomena, solar systems... We do know much about space and time, they are not separate but rather spacetime. Both will warp and our speed remains constant in spacetime. This is Minowski's 4-vector explanation of special relativity. So far it is our best theory on spacetime.

Reasons that the fundamental forces would behave different in different parts of space are non-existant. When we look into the deep universe we are looking into the deep past and the laws of physics work fine.
The microwave background was theorized using the laws of physics, as were most of the other things we see beyond the solar system. Supernovas, black holes, galaxy clusters, star formation nebulas all require the same laws of physics that we have here. As do the big bang, formation of the first elements hydrogen and helium, fusion in stars which created all the other atoms, it all relies on physics working exactly as it does here and now.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is Minowski's 4-vector explanation of special relativity. So far it is our best theory on spacetime.
It isn't. First, just as an aside, Euclidean 4-space is a 4-vector space just as any 4D vector space would be. What makes Minkowski space different even when in 2D or 3D is how vectors transform and the geometry of the space (which is non-Euclidean). More importantly, Minkowski space is affine and the metric doesn't change, so it is not our best theory of spacetime. Our best theories of spacetime are consistent with general relativity, which requires that no spacetime which has a global structure can adequately account for gravitational forces.
Ironically, in general relativity part of the OP is made automatically moot because in general relativity we can only describe regions of space (even those near to Earth) as locally the same. Spacetime warps, which means that it is technically different everywhere in the universe but the differences between points near enough are so close to an affine space that it doesn't matter.
Of course, we also have to keep in mind that the Earth, Solar System, and our Galaxy are all moving so we have been and are traveling through wide regions of space, not some "fishbowl" as described earlier in this thread.
 

dad

Undefeated
The laws of physics, including photons are theorized to be universal.
Circular reasoning. They USE this nature to theorize!

The phenomenon we see throughout the universe require that the same laws are being followed in all the observable universe.
Doesn't matter what goes on out there. We are talking about the earth.
As for how we see anything function, we only see it here anyhow! The light coming in to our solar system area is only seen once it gets here and starts to exist HERE! Not sure that tells us so much about there. Of course once light or anything else GETS here it then must obey our rules!

Stars form the same as do all other phenomena, solar systems... We do know much about space and time, they are not separate but rather spacetime. Both will warp and our speed remains constant in spacetime. This is Minowski's 4-vector explanation of special relativity. So far it is our best theory on spacetime.
Not applicable outside the area we know time exists as we know time.Therefore it is irrelevant.
Reasons that the fundamental forces would behave different in different parts of space are non-existant. When we look into the deep universe we are looking into the deep past and the laws of physics work fine.
You are IMAGINING that time exists out there also as here actually. The millions and billions of years are total fantasy.
The microwave background was theorized using the laws of physics, as were most of the other things we see beyond the solar system.
Big deal. Lots of things were predicted and many did not happen, such as the black hole or neutron star in SN1987a. If a psychic gets it wrong much of the time their predictions are garbage. Just because there is uneven microwave radiation detected does not mean it came about because of your belief. Some consider it the Creation microwave background!
 
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