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Classic failed science predictions and a faulty cosmological model exposed

dad

Undefeated
From the oldest surviving writing;

468a. To say: Greetings to thee, O daughter of Anubis, who is at the windows, of heaven,

It even looks as though these "windows" can cause rainbows ("nun" is "water");

1078b. apertures of the (heavenly) windows are open,
1078c. the steps of Nun are open,
1078d. the steps of light are revealed

The Pyramid Texts: The Pyramid Texts: 12. The Ferryman and the Deceased King's Ascension, Utterances 300-311



It is entirely possible that the earth can absorb and release water.

This isn't to say I believe the earth was ever inundated to hundreds or thousands of feet or that the story of the flood is necessarily true, merely that it could be founded in reality. Real science has great difficulty addressing anything outside of experiment, or at bare minimum, empirical evidence. We tend to color in reality that isn't shown by experiment but it isn't real, only belief.
The flood waters may have been taken away the same way they came, through windows of heaven. The writing you offered was post flood and nothing to do with the windows mentioned in the bible.
 

blü 2

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The flood waters may have been taken away the same way they came, through windows of heaven. The writing you offered was post flood and nothing to do with the windows mentioned in the bible.
More hilarity!

Your sense of humor is boundless!

If only your grasp of reality were the same ...
 

blü 2

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The only place we see or experience time is here, not in deep space.
We experience time in many ways. I already mentioned the clock experiments confirming Einstein's view, and that your GPS is adjusted to accord with Einstein and not Newton. To that you can add our astronomical and cosmological observations, which so far all accord with Einstein.

If you disagree, present your evidence. Don't make things up (like your magic water windows in the sky ─ though I have to admit they're very funny).
 

dad

Undefeated
We experience time in many ways. I already mentioned the clock experiments confirming Einstein's view, and that your GPS is adjusted to accord with Einstein and not Newton. To that you can add our astronomical and cosmological observations, which so far all accord with Einstein.

If you disagree, present your evidence. Don't make things up (like your magic water windows in the sky ─ though I have to admit they're very funny).
Of course we experience time. We do that on earth, and the solar system area. So?
 

dad

Undefeated
Why would anyone have clocks in a fishbowl?
If the solar system area is what we call the fishbowl, and a clock is something that measures the passage of time, we need not ask. The only place man experiences time is right here.
 

blü 2

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Of course we experience time. We do that on earth, and the solar system area. So?
BUT we experience relative time ─ Einsteinian time ─ and NOT absolute time, as Newton thought and you employed.
 

dad

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BUT we experience relative time ─ Einsteinian time ─ and NOT absolute time, as Newton thought and you employed.
Who cares what we experience here? The issue is that if you claim time is the same on the fringes of the universe we would need some evidence. Of course we experience time in the fishbowl as we should here.
 

blü 2

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Who cares what we experience here? The issue is that if you claim time is the same on the fringes of the universe we would need some evidence. Of course we experience time in the fishbowl as we should here.
No, the question has been examined from time to time and nothing to the contrary has been found. So the issue here is, on the basis of what evidence do you claim it's different.

And it appears you have none at all.
 

dad

Undefeated
No, the question has been examined from time to time and nothing to the contrary has been found. So the issue here is, on the basis of what evidence do you claim it's different.

And it appears you have none at all.
Show the study where the nature of time in the far universe was looked at. Ha.
 

blü 2

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Show the study where the nature of time in the far universe was looked at. Ha.
You see? You have absolutely no basis in reality for your claim, absolutely no evidence to support it.

Still, I congratulate you in that it's not as hilariously ridiculous as your magic water windows.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
@dad

The measure of time, as used in science, is based on our understanding of time, using our units of time, eg seconds, hours, days, years, etc.

We have based time on one complete rotation of the Earth’s spin, or the time for the moon to orbit around the Earth or the time it take for Earth to orbit around the sun.

While it is true, that days and years wouldn’t exist if we go into interstellar space, because there are no orbiting and no planetary rotation and so on.

And if there was another planet filled with other humans on the other side of the galaxy, then their complete cycle of planetary rotation and orbital cycle of their star system, their measurements of time wouldn’t be the same as what we have on Earth.

But I need to remind you that the measure of time are based on our calculations are only meant for our understanding.

We didn’t write science for outsiders to understand. We don’t expect beings from other planets to agree with our units of time, our measurements, our calculations.

The problem here is simply you making it big issues over something that have no relevance to science.

If you want to use different measure of times that change to suit whatever your twisted reality, then that’s really your issues, not ours.

If we have everything done your stupid way, there would be utter chaos and confusions and science and scientific discoveries and understanding wouldn’t be possible. If we have your way, we would all be living in another Dark Ages, where ignorance ruled over logical reasoning, where belief in magic and superstitions are commonplace.

No thanks, dad. You can keep your head buried in the sand, if that’s what you like.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
The problem here is simply you making it big issues over something that have no relevance to science.

Everything is relevant to science.

Dad is simply pointing out things that aren't relevant to current beliefs about science.

Since we don't even know what time is how can we possibly say how it works at the edge of the universe? It's like not defining "consciousness" and then studying life. Results are always a product of the assumptions that led to them.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Everything is relevant to science.

Dad is simply pointing out things that aren't relevant to current beliefs about science.

Since we don't even know what time is how can we possibly say how it works at the edge of the universe? It's like not defining "consciousness" and then studying life. Results are always a product of the assumptions that led to them.
Science is a methodology and a tool of how we acquired propose to explain a given phenomena - a proposed knowledge - and then test them if they are true and false.

The knowledge don’t come from god(s), angels, spirits, fairies or extraterrestrial aliens.

So everything are based on how we understand the world around us...and that’s including “time”. We use the time that we know of, in units that we understand, and we calibrate them in accordance with the given phenomena.

Like I said, they (natural and physical sciences) were written for our understanding, and if possible find applications to make use of we know and understand.

The scientific models (I am referring to the tested and accepted scientific theories, and not proposed theories hypotheses) weren’t written for gods or aliens from other planets to understand.

I think it would be very stupid to measure distance and time that have no consistency because dad think we should use time based on the given locality of the investigated phenomena.

Say for instance, let’s say we find the star system in Andromeda Galaxy, and that star (let’s call it Z) has only 5 planets. Then let’s say we choose that the planet in the middle (3rd planet), and called it C.

Now let’s planet C take 72 hours for this rotate to do one cycle. And it take this 600 of C’s day to one orbit around the star Z. That’s great to know about the planet’s information, but would we use these information to calculate a new light-year and measure the distance between planet C and Earth, in new altered light-year.

And for every planet, star and galaxy discovered we would have to alter times, everytime, to get new and different speed of light, which would give different distance light-year.

It would be utter chaos, to change speed of light and light-year every time we find new planets, stars or galaxies.

And it isn’t just modern astronomy that dad has. He has problem with measuring times on geological evidence, on archaeological evidence and paleontological evidence.

He claimed that the law of physics was different before Genesis Flood, and claimed that scientists cannot use radiometric dating methods or other methods to measure any objects, prior to Genesis Flood, which btw there are no flood occurred 4400 years ago.

Dad really think and believe that the Earth and life exist, is only about 6000 years old, and that dinosaurs were around living between Adam and Noah, all died out by the Flood; he believed that the K-T (or K-Pg, Cretaceous-Paleogene) extinction event occurred with the flood 4400 years ago, not 65 million years ago.

If what dad say and believe were true, why don’t paleontologists find human remains or fossils dated to the same time as dinosaur fossils?

If what say is all true, then why cannot provide a single evidence to everything that he claim, including evidence that different law of physics, evidence for the Flood itself, evidence that humans dinosaurs lived in the same time prior to the Flood.

He claimed that radiometric dating are not possible, and yet we have evidence that Jericho (Tell el-Sultan, 11,600 years old), Damascus and other Neolithic towns dated and existing before the supposed creation of Adam 6000 years ago.

Using carbon-14 dating is not too much problem dating stuff less than 10,000 years old (eg Neolithic periods, Bronze Age, Iron Age, etc), unless you find objects that over 50,000 years old. That is due C-14 would be have been completely depleted in most objects by 55-60,000 years. It is why geologists and paleontologists would use different radioactive isotopes to measure rocks, minerals or fossils, eg specific isotopes of potassium, lead, argon, uranium, etc.

Uranium dating method can date the oldest minerals and rocks on Earth. The only place you can find rocks or minerals dated to the Hadean eon (the oldest eon in the Precambrian) are only in Western Australia, northeast Canada, and parts of Africa.

But we have found even object older than our Solar System, like Murchison Meteorite, which crashed near the town, Murchison, Victoria, Australia, in 1969. Not only did scientists find organic matters, like amino acids in the meteorite, but that the the mineral silicon carbide is dated to about 7 billion years old.

You cannot use C-14 to date something as old as these minerals in the meteorite, but you can use uranium-238, which have half-life of 4.5 billion-year.

If dad is going to make all sorts claims that are contrary of evidence that have already been detected, measured and tested, then dad must provide counter-evidence to support his claims...which to date, he hasn’t done.

All he has done is try to shift the burden of proof to prove him wrong. That’s not how science work.

When a person bring a new hypothesis as alternative to the existing accepted model (scientific theory), then he or she needs to provide all the evidence and data he or she has collected for examination and analysis by the peers. Without evidence and data, peers can reject the model as being unfalsifiable.

All dad ever done was being evasive, when it comes to supporting his claim with evidence.

Dad doesn’t even need to be the one to supply the evidence and data, he can cite peer-reviewed works that support his claim...which he also haven’t done.

So basically all he has done, is make his numerous claims without ever backing them up. From my experiences conversing with him here, his words cannot be trusted.
 

dad

Undefeated
You see? You have absolutely no basis in reality for your claim, absolutely no evidence to support it.

Still, I congratulate you in that it's not as hilariously ridiculous as your magic water windows.
Our opinion of the windows of heaven that God opened to bring water to the planet is of little matter in the grand scheme of things. Not like you could prove it or not. Ours is but to believe it or not.
 

dad

Undefeated
@dad

The measure of time, as used in science, is based on our understanding of time, using our units of time, eg seconds, hours, days, years, etc.
We measure the process of time the best we can. That does not control time, or define what time is. That is merely a way to note time passing.

While it is true, that days and years wouldn’t exist if we go into interstellar space, because there are no orbiting and no planetary rotation and so on.
Before the sun existed there were days according to God. The orbits are just clocks to mark time, they do not define it.

But I need to remind you that the measure of time are based on our calculations are only meant for our understanding.
Time passes regardless of your understanding. It does not depend on man to exist.

If you want to use different measure of times that change to suit whatever your twisted reality, then that’s really your issues, not ours.
No. I do not use a different measure for time in the far universe. I simply point out we cannot use fishbowl measuring to tell what time is like there.
 

blü 2

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Our opinion of the windows of heaven that God opened to bring water to the planet is of little matter in the grand scheme of things. Not like you could prove it or not. Ours is but to believe it or not.
Why would I believe in real magic windows in the sky and not believe in a real Donald Duck? There's no essential difference.
 
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