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Church constitution

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by john63, Jan 7, 2006.

  1. john63

    john63 titmouse

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    I thought I had found the perfect Church and I was ready to join them. They believe the exact same things as I do. Then the Pastor handed me a copy of the church's constitution and by laws. Article 2 Section R of the constitution reads as follows:

    (R) Divorce and Marriage. We believe that God disaproves of and forbids divorce and intends marriage to last until one of the spouses dies. Divorce and remarriage is Biblically regarded as adultery. Although divorced and remarried persons or divorced persons may hold positions of service in the church and be greatly used of God for Christian service, they may not be considered for the offices of pastor or deacon. The church will not condone nor conduct any marriage cerimony that involves a divorced person. The church will marry only those individuals who are members in good standing with the church and are holding the ceremony at the church. (Mal. 2:14-17, Matt. 19:3-12, Rom. 7:1-3, 1 Tim 3:2-12, Titus 1:6)

    I am a divorced, remarried, and divorced again person. What this is telling me (and I called the Pastor and he told me I was correct) is I have to remain single and celibate for the rest of my life. They also do not consider me as worthy as a biblically married person. I am not eligible to hold the office of pastor or deacon. This tells me that they do not consider me an equal.
     
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  2. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I'm confused here, John. I thought you were considering joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-say Saints. We don't even have a "Constitution and Bylaws," nor do we have "Pastors." Also, we have many people in our Church who have been divorced and re-married. We definitely don't consider it to be adultery. What's up anyway?

    Kathryn
     
  3. Buttons*

    Buttons* Glass half Panda'd

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    I'm sorry, thats really dissapointing. If people all have the potential to have the same "sins" then why isnt everyone equal?
     
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    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    Yikes!

    I don't know...the whole idea of "church constitution" kind of rubs me the wrong way. I'm NOT going to argue with scripture. I know what the scripture says. But your decisions concerning marriage and divorce are between you and Christ. And the last time I checked...when we repent...we're forgiven. I don't know if I feel comfortable with the idea of members of a church denying me the opportunity to pursue an office, which perhaps I'm called to fulfill based upon my past sins.

    I suppose they reserve the right to do so and again, I won't dispute the scripture. But your marital history (for lack of a better term:)) is between you and Christ. I don't feel the officials of a church have the authority to judge you for your sins by deeming you either "biblically worthy" or "biblically unworthy". You became an equal, in God's eyes, the moment you accepted Christ.
     
  6. Master Vigil

    Master Vigil Well-Known Member

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    I can't help but wander which church this was. Do tell??
     
  7. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    I feel for ya John63. That would be rather disappointing, but better you found out now than after you have joined the congregation.

    It may sound silly John63, but I used to use an old sales gimmick on my staff to keep them pumped up. Many here will no doubt remember either saying this or hearing it.
    With every rejection you get, you are one step closer to getting a sale.

    I think you could safely apply this in your experience. Keep your chin up, you obviously know what you are looking for... just keep looking. :) Think of it this way. You already believe the "right" people are out there. Now all you have to do is find them.
     
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  8. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    Well said...I think that's great advice.
     
  9. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Some anglican priests will not re-marry divirced people.


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    I think we have reached a point where a proper rethink is needed.
    After all, we agree that all other sins and trangressions are forgiven by God, on repentance.
    I am sure Re-marriage fits that view of forgiveness as well.


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    Blessed are the merciful, mercy shall be shown unto them.





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  10. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    As with the others, I feel for you. And I can honestly say with Empathy - I can never find a Religion in which I can 'fit' snugly, and accept everyone of their tenets.

    Having been on this forum, we are certainly not the only ones.

    You must have been disappointed, and possibly quite hurt. I guess for me, I will always be 'on my own', but, again from others' experiences on this forum, Maybe you can find hapiness in some 'Niche' that has the least contradictions with what you personally feel.
     
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  11. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    Which church are you refering to? I now the Catholic Church has similar laws, or rules. They must confirm my ex was sleeping around on me before they will validate my marriage to Rebecca. That shouldn't be hard to do though. My ex's name is wrote on many a bathroom stall. 'For a good time call....':D
     
  12. john63

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    Westbrook Baptist Church
     
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    Yes Katzpur I'm still reading the BoM, but I have a long way to go. I can't be baptised because I'm still smoking cigs. I'm having a real hard time trying to kick that vice. At this point I really don't know. This decision has been much harder than I thougth even a few weeks ago. The more I explore the harder it gets to reach a decsion.
     
  14. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    John, I'll pray that God leads you. Let me say this. No matter what church you decide to follow, when it's right, you will know it. Reread michel's post. Excellent advice.
     
  15. robtex

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    John63 do you feel the Bible is the inerrant word of God (which version of the Bible is you say yes) or the inspired word of God? I s it a book written of man about their faith in God or other?

    It is hard to get a wrangle on this without knowing your view of the Bible when you walk into a particular church.
     
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    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    At the risk of soundling like your parrot, I can only echo the same sentiments Michel. It is not easy "going it alone", but I feel it is potentially far more rewarding.
     
  17. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    I agree with you and michel. That's the path my wife chooses to follow. :)
     
  18. john63

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    I believe it is the inspired Word of God.
     
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    Will you ever find the equality you have in Freemasonry anywhere else ?
     
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    You don't mind if I pray for you, do you? If you want help stopping smoking?!? If not just tell me to screw off.:rolleyes:
     
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