paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is truthful Eastern as well as Middle-Eastern solution but Christopher Hitchens could not discern it.
Reference Christopher Hitchens book God is not great, Chapter Fourteen page-195
I refute his allegations.
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Christopher Hitchens is wrong to say There is no Eastern solution
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There is truthful Eastern as well as Middle-Eastern solution but Christopher Hitchens could not discern it.
Reference Christopher Hitchens book God is not great, Chapter Fourteen page-195
I refute his allegations.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Okay then. Proceed.
HerDotness
Lady Babbleon
Indeed. Simply saying you refute them isn't enough. Refutation demands stating one's arguments with evidence.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Also, could you provide a bit more context with regards to Hitchens' claim? What, specifically, was he talking about?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Hitchens is simply wrong. He seems to have never studied any revealed religion deeply from the root sources of them as he has quoted none for proving his view point.
The correct way for query and investigation into a religion is its study from the root sources and the study of life of its founder as depicted from them.
To make basis of query into a religion/s from what the corrupt clergy believe and do or the rulers do or the ignorant public do at a point of time, is an unreasonable and unscientific approach and bound to fail and fall to wrong conclusions; and very naturally too.
The founders of all the revealed religions always had a humane approach but the clergy and rulers get hardened due to their politics and their vested interests.
It is an illusion to judge religions and their founders from the beliefs and the misdeeds of the clergy or priesthood or rulers or the public.
Christopher Hitchens has exactly done like this in this chapter and in the whole book also at different places.
The correct way for query and investigation into a religion is its study from the root sources and the study of life of its founder as depicted from them.
To make basis of query into a religion/s from what the corrupt clergy believe and do or the rulers do or the ignorant public do at a point of time, is an unreasonable and unscientific approach and bound to fail and fall to wrong conclusions; and very naturally too.
The founders of all the revealed religions always had a humane approach but the clergy and rulers get hardened due to their politics and their vested interests.
It is an illusion to judge religions and their founders from the beliefs and the misdeeds of the clergy or priesthood or rulers or the public.
Christopher Hitchens has exactly done like this in this chapter and in the whole book also at different places.
HerDotness
Lady Babbleon
Then, quote precisely where he is wrong and provide evidence to prove that he is.
You have thus far done exactly what you condemn him for--made allegations and nothing more than that.
You have thus far done exactly what you condemn him for--made allegations and nothing more than that.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
You obviously know nothing about Hitch.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I am a fan of Hitchens, if you want to see a man who can back up claims that he makes, listen to him talk. Just google Christopher Hitchens debate mp3 or something and a ton will come up...very few have been able to have a "gotcha" moment with him, it is him who speaks clearly, rationally and can back up every claim he makes and/or disputes.
What allegations are you refuting?
I'm familiar with Hitchens' arguments and criticisms of Buddhism, and he makes some outstanding points, such as the notion of disarming the mind and the feudalism in Tibet as examples of being "unenlightened."
I'm okay with the finger pointing at Buddhism for it's ills. We deserve it. Now we learn from it.
Thank goodness that's settled
HerDotness
Lady Babbleon
The ones of Hitchens' that are wrong, of course.
What's the matter with you this morning? Didn't have your coffee yet? :areyoucra
[major sarcasm alert for the unwary!]
What exactly do you think defines a religion? Personally, I think it's the beliefs and practices of its members.
If he's criticizing modern Buddhism and you follow some set of teachings that you think modern Buddhists should follow but don't, then it seems to me that he's not criticizing your religion.
Beyond that, it's just a question of whether you or the other people have the right to the word "Buddhist", but it's so old that I'd say it's safely in the public domain, so you're probably not going to have much luck in stopping them from calling themselves Buddhists.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Well if Hitchens was wrong, I'm sure God would strike him dead. Am I right?....or maybe it was a slow form of suicide.
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HerDotness
Lady Babbleon
Hitch stated near the end that he always knew he had a good chance of dying as a result of his indulgences in smokes and booze.
Slow suicide or simply being realistic about pleasures you enjoy? I suppose it depends upon one's perspective.
Personally, I thought he went out with style, his typically wicked humor and dignity.
Slow suicide or simply being realistic about pleasures you enjoy? I suppose it depends upon one's perspective.
Personally, I thought he went out with style, his typically wicked humor and dignity.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
A personal choice, true.
Wow, do you really think this is funny of clever? Amazing that the very same person who is set against mocking would mock someone's death like this.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
fantôme profane;2927574 said:
I think Hitch would have appreciated the humor even though you are using it as a weapon.
A Troubled Man
Active Member
From the very same source almost immediately following that statement...
"He welcomes being attacked as a drinker 'because I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem.' He drinks, he says, 'because it makes other people less boring. I have a great terror of being bored. But I can work with or without it. It takes quite a lot to get me to slur.'
I do recall someone here coming up with a list that had something to do with Critique vs. Criticism attempting to refute mocking and ridicule. I wonder who that was?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
I love it when people attack me for quoting Hitchens' own words.
Geez, bad mouth Muhammad or Jesus and some people clap, but make a joke even Hitch would have enjoyed and watch the claws come out. Who says atheism isn't a religion?
Geez, bad mouth Muhammad or Jesus and some people clap, but make a joke even Hitch would have enjoyed and watch the claws come out. Who says atheism isn't a religion?