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Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by t3gah, Dec 19, 2004.

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  1. Yes. It is ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

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  2. No. It is NOT ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

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  3. I'm not sure

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  1. Fluffy

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    Surely, t3gah, if the RCC had not taken the steps it had done, like turning pagan festivals into Christian ones, Christianity would not have survived the centuries and would not be as large as it is today? You must admit that they took steps which led to a mass conversion to Christianity.

    God did not say how his followers should NOT spread his message. Therefore they were not going against God in spreading his message in this way. Infact it obeyed the 10 commandments by lowering the amount of people who, from a Christian perspective, were worshipping false idols in the festivals that were in place beforehand.

    The fact is that when a Christian sits down and takes part in any of the festivals that you have debased, they are not doing it in the name of anyone other than God. Perhaps some of your arguments, such as the high level of drinking at these times, are valid, but to be honest it seems like you should really have a problem with SOME of the traditions which take part in these celebrations rather than the celebrations themselves.
     
  2. Scott1

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    I noticed you did not/could not answer any of my questions......

    Is your mind closed to learning anything that's outside of you NWT study guide?

    Proverbs 1:7 (NIV)
    7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
     
  3. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Sinning willfully, no longer Christian. You know it's a lie but keep going along with it, you are willfully sinning. Just like Satan did. Just like Eve and Adam did in the garden of Eden.

    Hebrews 10:26,27
    26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

    So, the question has been raised as to the authenticity of Satan being a direct cause for something like the whole Christmas/Santa thing coming about.

    Satan's seed in the bible are all the pagan's and their false Gods. Christmas is associated with whom? The Invincible God, Sun God, Soltice, etc. Not the God of the heavens. How do we know it's Satan's seed? Because Armageddon will rid God's Kingdom of all who will go after other God's. All other God's in the bible are said to be influenced by whom? Satan. The "your seed" part below is directed to Satan. Which makes the practices of pagans Satanic in God's eyes.
    Genesis 3:14,15
    14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life; 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."
    When the Israelites were about to enter the promised land, they were instructed by God to destroy thoroughly all pagan worship there.
    [size=-1]Numbers 33:52
    then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images and demolish all their high places;[/size]​
    Christmas traditions are filled with stories of the masses lying to their children because Christmas is fun and pleasurable.
    Leviticus 19:11,12
    11 'You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another. 12 'You shall not swear falsely by My name, so as to profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.
    Lying started when? Back in the beginning with Adam and Eve. Satan played them for fools. Satan asks a question, then Eve lies by saying that God said not to touch the tree when he, God, only said not to eat from it. Satan then lies himself contradicting a command that God gave to Adam the he, Adam, would die if Adam broke the commandment and ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and bad.

    What are the key elements that I am proposing in this thread? Satan is behind the spirit of Christmas and Santa. How could this be so you might ask? Well, if all of it came about by lying to people and Satan is the initiator of the first lies, then Satan is behind Christmas and Santa. Ridiculous you say!! Well, the world pretty much knows it's all lies yet they keep on doing it. Why? Because they are all in league with Satan too unknowingly.

    Satan is called the "god of this world". Some translations state "god of this age" or the new world translation has a weird translation of "god of this system of things". Which means all things not of God are of Satan. The things penned in the scriptures are of God. The stuff people created after they were penned are not. Even if they say they did it for God. Does God not know what should be celebrated and not celebrated? Was Jesus not farsighted enough to add that people should celebrate his birth as being the messiah because it was that important?

    In the scripture below it describes the "god of this world" blinding the minds of the unbelievers.
    [size=-1]2 Corinthians 4:4
    in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.[/size]​
    What are the Gospels trying to tell us? The Pharisees were committed and ordained teachers of God's word yet they were in league with Satan according to Jesus. Lying is a big "no-no". Do it willfully and you lose out on the heavenly reward. Do the will of the Father, which is don't lie again and you are doing good. Do the will of yourself then you are leaving the Father and He will leave you forever. Don't practice pagan things. Don't mix in company with people that practice pagan things. Don't sacrifice yourself to the demons like the nations do by venerating things above God. Get wicked people who break the commandments of God away from you.

    What does all that have to do with Satan? All things listed that are good in the scriptures that God likes are reversed and opposite when dealing with Satan. Jesus shows how to get people to come to Christianity. Talk to them, explain the kingdom message and show them all about it, reasoning with them from the scriptures. Jesus doesn't tell people to go out and make new celebrations and create this gigantic pile of lies. If not Jesus then whom? Satan.

    In Revelation there's a statement made that Satan is a deceiver of the whole world. Christmas is all deception. Created by people who don't know the difference between pagan and Christian. Christians that ignored the many examples in the scriptures of false god practices and what happened to those who worshipped them. God effaced them from the earth. Sometimes God did this himself and other times he had his chosen people the Hebrews annilihate them.
    [size=-1]Revelation 12:9
    And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.[/size]​
    What is the problem with observing this false holy day? It's a lie and you are associating your self to lies. The people who created Christmas let their morals go right down the drain. They propogated the lie so long that it, Christmas is almost the most celebrated holiday in history. And it's all lies! So what about the spirit of Satan you say? Well the scripture below states what happens if you get too close to corruption.
    [size=-1]1 Corinthians 15:33[/size]
    [size=-1]Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

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    What of those who created Christmas? Are they in league with Satan really? Well, let's look at their track record. They didn't go with what Jesus said in the book of Matthew when he showed how the gospel was to be preached. Jesus told his apostles to go out in pairs with no money or purse and go to the cities. Search for deserving ones, enter the homes of those accepting the message they brought or shaking the dust off their feet to those who rejected the message.

    The question must be asked then. Why did the early Roman Catholic Church go astray and deviate from the norm set out through example by Jesus and the apostles? Because they had become just like the Pharisees. Which Jesus said were working the works of their Father the Devil (or Satan the Devil as it's said in Revelation 12:9).

    [size=-1]2 Corinthians 11:12-14
    12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. [size=-1]13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. [size=-1]14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
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    So if the origin of Christmas and Santa Claus stemmed from those who deviated from the pure unadulterated worship of God and took it upon themselves to get more people to Christianity through deceptive means. Abandoning their faith, they became Antichrists which the "son of destruction" was, Judas Iscariot. A betrayer and traitor, just like Satan.

    All those who betrayed God became satans themselves and sent Santa and Christmas into the world. They were false teachers and liars. This contributed to the early Christians abandoning the true worship of God and serving false gods under the guise of Christmas.
     
  4. t3gah

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    Unfortunately they became false teachers, false apostles, etc., and those that followed them became defiled with the apostasy of false religion.

    To answer your question: We don't know that. We don't know if Jesus' way would have done more or less because they, the old RCC have corrupted Christianity worldwide with their heathen ways.

    Jesus, son of God. Far more intelligent than any one on earth. And he knew exactly the correct way to do things.

    However dispite this falicy of Christmas, today many Christian groups are performing the preaching work just like it's described in the bible, so only time will tell if that way, the correct way, will overcome the "false prophet Christmas message" that Christmas is making around the world.

    This is true but he did say not to mix in company with pagan practices and false religion. The Ten Words or Ten Commandments are explained and expounded on in Leviticus.

    Jesus laid out the groundwork of how the message was to be spread in gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    As to festivals. There were many that God described to Moses in Exodus and other books of the bible. But to illustrate some of the things the early HEbrews did to glorify God I have some scriptures below. Of course there are the examples of marriage feasts which Jesus himself attended, etc. But as you can see I haven't posted them, so you'll have to look them up yourself.

    Exodus 15:20
    Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took the timbrel in her hand, and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dancing.

    Psalms 150:4
    Praise Him with timbrel and dancing;
    Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.

    Psalms 149:3
    Let them praise His name with dancing;
    Let them sing praises to Him with timbrel and lyre.

    Psalms 33:2
    Give thanks to the LORD with the lyre;
    Sing praises to Him with a harp of ten strings.

    The celebration is based on specific days that are part of the worship of false Gods. IF those that want to celebrate anything, why not do it on another day? Why wait for the wrong day? Why continue listening to that old "False Christian" notion that it was done to spread good cheer and thus tell the world about Jesus?


    As for the drinking of alcoholic beverages, all things can be abused. Not all people get plastered as I recall.
     
  5. t3gah

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    There were no questions. Only statements.

    I'm not using a "study guide". I'm not copy/pasting anything. I'm writing this all up by hand and it's all from memory. Same goes for the scriptures and partial scriptures that I am recalling from memory. I double-check them with a concordance and a King James Version to be sure the wording and meanings are correct. I also get online and use http://unbound.biola.edu with it's vast array of translations that are like mine here to verify or post the scriptures I want.

    The quote 'study guide' that JW's have is the "Require" brochure (What does God require of us?). There's a section on "Beliefs and Customs That Displease God". http://www.watchtower.org (Note: I'm not a Jehovah's Witness and am not trying to make anyone become one or to convert over to them. The reference to the "Require" brochure and the section to read is to answer the question asked. Look at it, don't look at. It's up to you. I say 'don't look at it'. But that's just me! :))

    The scriptures you cited all prove that there can be persons anointed by God if the chain of command was still intact when the old Roman Catholic Church got started. The key words though that I am referring to are "the chain of command". Infallable? Nope, it's been broken time and again. Would someone who's anointed or chosen by God deviate from the correct course? Well, let's just take a look see in the scriptures below:

    Examples of chosen people who disobeyed


    So is being anointed or chosen by God a guarantee that you'll do the right thing? Nope, the list above is the record God has supplied for our benefit when things go wrong after the scriptures were penned.

    Did the Roman Catholics of the past deviate from the correct path laid out in the scriptures. Well, history records that they, the old Roman Catholics, admit that they introduced pagan practices into Christianity in letters. They did just like the persons in my examples. Broke the commandments. And we also have Christmas, which is a big "tell" and so that's why we are discussing it.


    1 Timothy 4:1-3 (Douay-Rheims)

    1 Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, 3 Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.

    Matthew 23:15 (Douay-Rheims)
    15 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.

    As for the NWT being 'my' bible and something created after the scriptures were penned, you are correct. But just so you know, you need to go back a few posts and see just how many different 'translations' I have over here for reference. 'All' bibles were made after the scriptures were penned because they didn't have anything called a 'bible' back then. They had 'scrolls' or 'parchments' or 'leather', etc.


    The NWT's are just some more translations that I use for study and not 'my' bibles. They are just bibles so take it easy, ok? That's why I have my "Errors in Bible translations..." thread. I'm researching the errors on my own. With so many different translations available and almost no two alike, I don't trust any of them by themselves, unless there are at least two other bibles that correspond to the same scriptures.

    I had a Douay-Rheims bible once in hand. Is Psalms 83:18 in there or not? The Tanakh has it as Psalms 83:19.
     
  6. SoulTYPE

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    Obviously t3gah I am wasting my time asking you questions. I am not offended at all. I will go spam in Off Topic and leave you be ok?
     
  7. LittleNipper

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    Christmas is to the Christian as Hanukkah is to the Jew. The festival and its trappings are what you make it. I've told my son from very small up, that Santa is a personification of the spirit of the season. He represents what all Christians want to be-----a bringer of gifts (especially the Gospel message), and of good will to all. The tree is a model of heaven and the candy cane is to remind us of the lowly shepherds (who 1st heard of GOD's greatest gift) and a "J" for Jesus. The purples are the royality of Jesus. The Golds is His purity. The green is for the eternal life He brings. The reds are for His shed blood for our Salvation. The lights are to remind us that Jesus is the light of the world. The presents are a reminder of the three gifts from the wise men and that Christmas is the day Chosen to celebrate the birthday of Jesus.
     
  8. Ronald

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    The Living Bible Mt.11:18 "But brilliant men like you can justify your every inconsistancy." Don't you know a little leaven permeates the whole child! Leaven is equated as sin.Tell your child another lie to prop up the last lie.
     
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    [American Standard Version]
    James 5:19 My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him; 5:20 let him know, that he who converteth a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.
     
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    Look at that, a contradiction.

    I`m fruballing you hope.

    Thnk You
     
  11. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Cheerful things to remember next Christmas......


    SANTA BE GONE- CHRISTMAS LIE
    [size=-1]Will The Christmas Lie Ever End? ... Last but not least, the Lie of Santa Claus happens on Christmas Day and is forever linked with and to The Birth of Christ. ...

    [/size]Did You Lie To Your Kids At Christmas?
    [size=-1]Did You Lie To Your Kids At Christmas? ... I humbly urge that you make it your New Years resolution not to lie to your children about Santa Claus next Christmas. ...

    [/size]Christ and Christmas -- the Truth and the Lie
    [size=-1]... Christ and Christmas the Truth and the Lie. John 1:1-10 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... [/size]
     
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    Wow, I thought this thread died out a while ago
     
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    Santa Claus Is A Lie!
    Attention children of Moscow: the eXile, that newspaper your parents try to hide from you, has an important announcement. Please pay attention to the following and tell all your friends at school. You are being lied to.

    Kids, as you know, it's Christmas season again. For most of your lives, this has probably been your favorite time of year. Presents, colorful lights, holidays, and merriment abound. [​IMG] You may even have written letters to Santa Claus, noting all the good things you've done, innocently asking for Furbies, Sony Playstations, or world peace. For children like you, nothing embodies the warm, joyous spirit of Christmas more than Santa Claus.

    But there's one problem. There is no Santa Claus. He's a lie. A myth. His red-and-white image was created by Coca-Cola at the turn of the century in order to market their brand. The Santa Claus in the mall? Pull on his beard. Spray him in the eyes with a can of Silly String. He won't be so jolly anymore. The reason is that he's not Santa Claus. He's just a guy in a rented suit. A loser who can't get a job. Somebody who you or your parents would never talk to in normal life, and rightfully so. He has a name like Pete Rassmussen or Barry Pierce, not Santa Claus. You don't want to wind up like him. You want to succeed. And if you want to succeed, you have to start now by facing up to life's hard lessons. So stop making a fool out of yourself by believing in Santa Claus.

    One of the keys to child success is having a leg up on your peers. You need to know more than they do. Knowledge is power. The more you know, the better grades you'll get, and the better your grades are, the more you will impress your superiors. Your superiors will take you under their wing and help you get ahead in the world. They will recommend you to a top private school, where you will join the budding elite, greasing your path into a top- notch university. This is the surest way to a successful career. By clinging to the lie that is Santa Claus, you will lose your teachers' respect and condemn yourself to mediocrity, whereas if you explain to them that you do not subscribe to the Santa Claus Lie, as it is known, then they will be more inclined to let you into their world. Even if the adult world is dry, exhausting and full of disappointment, the only other alternative is poverty, despair and failure. You do not want that. So get off of Santa's lumpy lap and start planning your career now, before you reach the second grade....
     
  15. SoulTYPE

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    t3gah,

    We all know Santa is not real. He is IMAGINARY. Many children believe in Santa much like they do the TOOTH fairy. These are only little kiddy fantasy characters. It is not wrong for children to believe in Santa, and they outgrow this phase usually before they reach the age of 11.

    Santa is much like the child's television programs characters. Barney the Dinosaur is not of Satan.
    Power Rangers are not of Satan. SANTA is NOT of Satan. Santa is IMAGINARY.

    t3gah, get ya crucifix ready..here is the DEVIL:

    [​IMG]
     
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    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2562109.stm)

    Vicar tells children Santa is dead

    [​IMG] Mr Rayfield said Santa Claus defies science


    It is the news no child wants to hear - and certainly not from the mouth of a vicar. Youngsters at a Christmas carol service were devastated when the Reverend Lee Rayfield told them Santa Claus was dead.....


     
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    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Santa = Satan?
    (http://www.sparklesparkle.net/santa.html)

    I know that you have asked the question an innumerable number of times. I know you ponder it at work, at play, at home, at the grocery store, in the bathroom. I know that you can't stop thinking about it, can't eat, can't sleep. It is one question, one burning question that torments you, that you wrestle with, that dominates your life, that sears your soul. Just who is that fat guy dressed in red (sounds suspicious already) that slides down my chimney every year, and, more importantly, is he gonna hurt my future kids?

    And now, with that useless and melodramatic introduction completed, over, and, yes, even finished, without too much further adieu I present to you proof that the jolly old giftgiver we know and love as St. Nick is really the Lord of Demons, the Prince and Power of the Air, the Master Deceiver. Yes, my friends, Santa Claus is none other than the Devil himself....
     
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    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    2 Timothy 3:1 But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come. 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 3:4 traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied its power. Turn away from these, also. 3:6 For some of these are people who creep into houses, and take captive gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 3:7 always learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 3:8 Even as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so do these also oppose the truth; men corrupted in mind, who concerning the faith, are rejected. 3:9 But they will proceed no further. For their folly will be evident to all men, as theirs also came to be. 3:10 But you did follow my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, steadfastness, 3:11 persecutions, and sufferings: those things that happened to me at Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra. I endured those persecutions. Out of them all the Lord delivered me. 3:12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 3:13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 3:14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them. 3:15 From infancy, you have known the holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (World English Bible)

     
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