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Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by t3gah, Dec 19, 2004.

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  1. Yes. It is ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

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  2. No. It is NOT ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

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  3. I'm not sure

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  4. Who cares?!

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  1. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    The smile doesn't conceal the personal attack. It's OK.
     
  2. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    I have to remember that I am not talking with TVOR, who understands my humor and doesn't take everything I say as "insulting" or as a "personal attack". I will erase my jest out of defference to you.
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    Everything? The apologist doth protest too much. :tsk: Mild hyperbole aside, TVOR is indeed very understanding.
     
  4. linwood

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    If we just stop this now...









    I`ll go to Church tomorrow.

    Promise
     
  5. FyreBrigidIce

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    WE could stop it by not responding to anymore of his posts.
     
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  6. t3gah

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    So here are all the real Christians in the world struggling to remain clean when so much hypocrisy abounds. There are false stories about this whole Christmas thing reaching the most distant parts of the earth. Even in mainland China there is talk that they are starting to celebrate Christmas in secret. In Hong Kong and Macau, Christians were preaching and teaching about the God of the heavens. Now that China has take back those countries they "loaned out" they have unknowingly adopted the lie started by some Church way back trying to get patronage up and using the way God got people to be good. Threaten them and kill them. Except in God's case, God is pure and divine and cannot be compared to the contrivances of men, the universe and all that's in it. So the scriptures below mirror the world today for Christians. Christians everywhere are in a land unclean.
    [size=-1]Ezra 9:10[/size]
    [size=-1]And now, O our God, what shall we say after this? for we have forsaken thy commandments, [/size]

    [size=-1][size=-1]Ezra 9:11[/size][/size]
    [size=-1][size=-1]which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land through the uncleanness of the peoples of the lands, through their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their filthiness:

    [/size][/size]​
    Christmas.... Christ Mass.... it's got the Christ part so it must be ordained by Jesus and God.

    Christ... Christian... hrm...

     
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Very quietly, go to thread tools and unsubscribe. Step away from the thread good people.
     
  8. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Here are two sources, the one above and the one below, for the meal Jesus stated in the scriptures for what to observe, which is not Christmas


     
  9. FyreBrigidIce

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    Since I never subscribed to this thread I can not unsubscribe. However, "This thread is no longer going to occupy my thoughts and I'm going to take my mind and go to a more enlightening and open-minded thread."

    Thank you FIH for the support.
     
  10. t3gah

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    [size=-1]Ecclesiastes 7:1
    A good name is better than fine perfume; and the day of death better than the day of one's birth.

    Straight from the scriptures and another reason Christmas is wrong.


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  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Lunacy - sheer lunacy. I'll be taking the advice and hitting the "unsubscribe" button. Perhaps I'll stroll down to the sawmill in the morning and try to reason with the buzzsaw.

    As for this thread - goodnight.
    TVOR
     
  12. t3gah

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    Below is an excerpt of an excellent article about pagan holidays.

    Click this link to see the rest of the article
    (http://sabbath.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.showResource/CT/BS/k/220/subj/holidays)
     
  13. Scott1

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    Sorry everyone.... I'm a glutton for punishment.;)

    Sad part is..... aside from the ridiculous assumptions and the monumental leaps to "prove" a point.... I must say that for the most part....

    .... t3gah may have a point.:eek:

    For one thing, when you look at the Catholic liturgical calendar, you'll notice that Christmas isn't the Church's major holiday. It never has been. Church Fathers such as Augustine didn't include a commemoration of Christ's birth in their lists of holidays at all. Early Christians focused their attention on Easter, the holiest day in the Church's calendar, the solemnity of solemnities.

    In fact, our pattern of activity each week still echoes the Easter Triduum. That's why every Friday has always been a day of penance (it still is, by the way-the rule is either no meat or an equivalent penance, every Friday). Saturday was originally a day to lie low and keep quiet, which is why we have two-day weekends instead of laboring six days, as it says in Genesis. Sunday is the "little Easter" commemorating the resurrection in the splendid liturgies of the principal Mass of the week. The early Church recalled this more explicitly in its weekly liturgies, but in the old days Easter itself was surrounded by vigils, processions, songs, presents, feasts, and parties for which everybody bought new clothes.

    Today we've shifted all of the fuss and festivities to Christmas, and we pass over Easter almost entirely. But Easter still overshadows the commemoration of the birth of Jesus-spiritually, theologically, and liturgically-as the high holy day, the most solemn and joyous holiday of all.

    That's undoubtedly why we didn't get around to commemorating the birth of Christ in the liturgy until about the late fourth century. The earliest surviving record of a specific celebration of the Nativity is a sermon by St. Optatus, bishop of Mileve in Africa, from about 383. It wasn't even called "Christmas" until about the year 1000. Christians in northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Mediterranean were still observing a fairly low-profile Christmas around the year 1500. So the "pagan" origins of Christmas are a pretty tough sell for me..... nice try though.... t3gah, but about 1200 years removed from reality.

    Quite right.....so, Christians: pay more attention to Easter! It's still our highest holy day. And the weather's usually nicer, too.... ;)

    Peace in Christ,
    Scott
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  14. t3gah

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    But when did the apostles and disciples in the bible celebrate Christmas? Never.

    So it's origins didn't come from God, or those immediately anointed by God, Jesus, or the apostles. They came from men. Men who didn't listen to Jesus about his death and made up this stuff for his birth. Regardless of how long this farce has been going on, it's origin is not real divine. Churches after the last disciples died off claimed to have divine backing but didn't. They claim to have been Christian and because of the political engine of the time being associated with the term Christian and the pagan Roman empire the record books show "fake Christians" commemorating a new celebration for the Christ. So some Churches disregarded Jesus wish and went for his birth instead of his death and now the world is so confused as to what to celebrate that those who think they are doing the right thing because their Church endores it, think they are "doing the will of the Father", which sadly they are not.

    The scriptures contained everything God and Jesus wanted us to know and observe. They didn't need "help" from any after thoughts of men who were not prophets.

    Those who created Christmas had no right at all taking it under the wings of Christianity. The Son of our heavenly Father had already spoken. The moment the scriptures were penned, that was the end of any new idea. Jesus warned of false prophets and false Christs and even went as far to say that even the owner of those would be undone by those they brought in. Funny how those words ring true because all over the world there are thousands of documents stating that Christmas is a pagan celebration.
    [size=-1]2 Peter 2:1[/size]
    [size=-1]But there also arose false prophets among the people, as among you also there will be false teachers, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction. [/size]
     
  15. t3gah

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    I just had a thought. IF Santa is dead he may get resurrected after armageddon.
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  16. Scott1

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    OH vey.....
    So?
    They came from the "men" chosen by the Apostles to carry on the Gospel.... you just choose to ignore the parts of the Bible that don't fit your views.... 2,000 or so years later.... and, might I add..... YOU WERE NOT "immediately anointed by God" either.:bonk:
    Acts 1:22 - literally, "one must be ordained" to be a witness with us of His resurrection. Apostolic ordination is required in order to teach with Christ's authority.
    Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
    Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop. This is a powerful proof-text for the necessity of sacramental ordination in order to be a legitimate successor of the apostles.
    Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority must come from a Catholic bishop.
    Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church.
    Acts 15:22-27 - preachers of the Word must be sent by the bishops in union with the Church. We must trace this authority to the apostles.
    2 Cor. 1:21-22 - Paul writes that God has commissioned certain men and sealed them with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee.
    .... and so on and so on......
    Well..... I guess your Bible did not have divine backing.:eek: since everything that came to be after the death of the last Apostle is not from God.

    The Bible, using your definition "didn't come from God, or those immediately anointed by God, Jesus, or the apostles."..... it is a tradition of man..... not compiled by anyone with divine backing since the last apostle was not around.

    I love this dance...... looking forward to hearing your explaination of how the Canon of Scripture came to be.:biglaugh:

    Good luck!
    Scott
     
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    I highly doubt that Santa clause and Christmas is the work of Satan. Although an interesting aspect, I believe this assumption is the result of a limited perspective. You are looking at one side of a 3 dimensional square. Although I understand your aspect, this statement sounds lacking in substance or definition because of its one sidedness when in fact there are six sides to a square.

    All people see are the works, not the motives. They only see what I do, not the intentions behind it. They only see the fruit, but the fruit falls far from the tree. You love the fruit, but hate the tree. Nobody sees the inside of me, my intentions, but they judge the outside. They judge my color of skin, my complexion of face, but neither contains the contents of my heart. Why can't they look underneath these illusions?

    Why do you wash the outside of the cup, is not the inside more important? Why do you look for the kingdom of heaven outside of you when the kingdom of heaven is within you?

    Although a person may seem clean on the outside, when the contents of a person's heart is diluted by selfish motives, there the workings of Satan lies.

    Works are meaningless in God's eyes, but He measures by the motives. A man can praise God with his lips, but yet his heart can be far from Him.

    A man can worship God in flesh, but be far from God in spirit.
    His external workings does not constitute the verdict, but the internal motives of his heart.

    My relationship with God cannot be determined with legalistic dogma. You see the outer, but you do not see the inner. From these limitations of un-evolved awareness, you are self-decieved.
     
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    As my parting word to this thread, all I can say is "Amen!" to the above post. My thoughts exactly....
     
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    .................

    As the Apocolaus who emerges from a mushroom cloud and rides red-nosed missiles?
     
  20. t3gah

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    Deuteronomy 18:20
    'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'


    Ok. If everyone has read the documents associated with the links I already posted, you should all know that everything surrounding Christmas came from where? Pagan origins. So if you tell your people they came from God, are you telling the truth or lying?

    Proverbs 14:5
    A trustworthy witness will not lie,
    But a false witness utters lies.

    All that the old Roman Catholic Church brought to Christianity they did so with their authority only and not the backing of God. Why? Because they mixed pagan practices with Christian practices thus nullifying the word of God.

    Matthew 12:33-37
    33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 "You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. 35 "The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. 36 "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

    So just what did these "Christians of the past" do that was like Satan? Lied, lied, lied. They told their parishioners lies. Satan/Devil is the Father of the lie.

    John 8:42-44
    42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
     
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