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Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christs birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
Christmas' pagan origins (click this link to see the rest of the article)
Here are two sources, the one above and the one below, for the meal Jesus stated in the scriptures for what to observe, which is not ChristmasThe Lord's Supper (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
The Lord's Supper is a variation of the name and the service of The Last Supper or Eucharist. This name tends to be used by the churches of minimalist traditions, such as those strongly influenced by Zwingli. Nevertheless, churches holding other views, such as Lutherans and Reformed churches, as well as non-denominational churches utilize the term... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lords_Supper)
The Last Supper (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
In Christianity, the Last Supper was the last meal between Jesus and his apostles before his death... In the course of the last supper, and with specific reference to taking the bread and the wine, Jesus told his disciples, "Do this in remembrance of me" (1 Cor 11:23-25)... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper)
Click this link to see the rest of the articlePagan Holidays
by Martin G. Collins
Forerunner, "Bible Study," December 1996
The Babylonian system depicted in Revelation 17 rules over the kings and kingdoms of the earth. It "shall intend to change times and law" (Daniel 7:25), and we see this particularly well in this world's holidays. The contrast between God's way and the world's is very obvious: God begins the year in the early spring as plant life begins to bud and grow; the world, in the middle of a dead winter (northern hemisphere) or hot summer (southern hemisphere). God's months start with a new moon; the world's, haphazardly. God begins the day at sunset; the world, at midnight. God sanctified the last day of the week for rest; the world, the first day, sixth day or whatever day without regard for God's command. This present world system has attempted to change God's Sabbath and holy days, syncretizing them into corrupt worship and establishing their own counterfeit holidays. In this study we will see that God has not sanctioned this world's pagan holidays and that it is wrong to share in its celebrations.
Quite right.....so, Christians: pay more attention to Easter! It's still our highest holy day. And the weather's usually nicer, too....Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than fine perfume; and the day of death better than the day of one's birth.
But when did the apostles and disciples in the bible celebrate Christmas? Never.SOGFPP said:Sorry everyone.... I'm a glutton for punishment.
Sad part is..... aside from the ridiculous assumptions and the monumental leaps to "prove" a point.... I must say that for the most part....
.... t3gah may have a point.
For one thing, when you look at the Catholic liturgical calendar, you'll notice that Christmas isn't the Church's major holiday. It never has been. Church Fathers such as Augustine didn't include a commemoration of Christ's birth in their lists of holidays at all. Early Christians focused their attention on Easter, the holiest day in the Church's calendar, the solemnity of solemnities.
In fact, our pattern of activity each week still echoes the Easter Triduum. That's why every Friday has always been a day of penance (it still is, by the way-the rule is either no meat or an equivalent penance, every Friday). Saturday was originally a day to lie low and keep quiet, which is why we have two-day weekends instead of laboring six days, as it says in Genesis. Sunday is the "little Easter" commemorating the resurrection in the splendid liturgies of the principal Mass of the week. The early Church recalled this more explicitly in its weekly liturgies, but in the old days Easter itself was surrounded by vigils, processions, songs, presents, feasts, and parties for which everybody bought new clothes.
Today we've shifted all of the fuss and festivities to Christmas, and we pass over Easter almost entirely. But Easter still overshadows the commemoration of the birth of Jesus-spiritually, theologically, and liturgically-as the high holy day, the most solemn and joyous holiday of all.
That's undoubtedly why we didn't get around to commemorating the birth of Christ in the liturgy until about the late fourth century. The earliest surviving record of a specific celebration of the Nativity is a sermon by St. Optatus, bishop of Mileve in Africa, from about 383. It wasn't even called "Christmas" until about the year 1000. Christians in northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Mediterranean were still observing a fairly low-profile Christmas around the year 1500. So the "pagan" origins of Christmas are a pretty tough sell for me..... nice try though.... t3gah, but about 1200 years removed from reality.
Quite right.....so, Christians: pay more attention to Easter! It's still our highest holy day. And the weather's usually nicer, too....
Peace in Christ,
I just had a thought. IF Santa is dead he may get resurrected after armageddon.[size=-1]
[size=-1]It shall be, if you shall forget Yahweh your God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish. [/size]
[size=-1][size=-1]As the nations that Yahweh makes to perish before you, so shall you perish; because you wouldn't listen to the voice of Yahweh your God.
So?t3gah said:But when did the apostles and disciples in the bible celebrate Christmas? Never.
They came from the "men" chosen by the Apostles to carry on the Gospel.... you just choose to ignore the parts of the Bible that don't fit your views.... 2,000 or so years later.... and, might I add..... YOU WERE NOT "immediately anointed by God" either.:bonk:So it's origins didn't come from God, or those immediately anointed by God, Jesus, or the apostles.
Well..... I guess your Bible did not have divine backing. since everything that came to be after the death of the last Apostle is not from God.Churches after the last disciples died off claimed to have divine backing but didn't.
As my parting word to this thread, all I can say is "Amen!" to the above post. My thoughts exactly....oracle said:I highly doubt that Santa clause and Christmas is the work of Satan. Although an interesting aspect, I believe this assumption is the result of a limited perspective. You are looking at one side of a 3 dimensional square. Although I understand your aspect, this statement sounds lacking in substance or definition because of its one sidedness when in fact there are six sides to a square.
All people see are the works, not the motives. They only see what I do, not the intentions behind it. They only see the fruit, but the fruit falls far from the tree. You love the fruit, but hate the tree. Nobody sees the inside of me, my intentions, but they judge the outside. They judge my color of skin, my complexion of face, but neither contains the contents of my heart. Why can't they look underneath these illusions?
Why do you wash the outside of the cup, is not the inside more important? Why do you look for the kingdom of heaven outside of you when the kingdom of heaven is within you?
Although a person may seem clean on the outside, when the contents of a person's heart is diluted by selfish motives, there the workings of Satan lies.
Works are meaningless in God's eyes, but He measures by the motives. A man can praise God with his lips, but yet his heart can be far from Him.
A man can worship God in flesh, but be far from God in spirit.
His external workings does not constitute the verdict, but the internal motives of his heart.
My relationship with God cannot be determined with legalistic dogma. You see the outer, but you do not see the inner. From these limitations of un-evolved awareness, you are self-decieved.