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Christians: Will the Christian Church go through the Tribulation?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by YeshuaRedeemed, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. YeshuaRedeemed

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    What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?
    Question: "What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?"
    Answer: The rapture and the second coming of Christ are often confused. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a scripture verse is referring to the rapture or the second coming. However, in studying end-times Bible prophecy, it is very important to differentiate between the two.
    The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.
    The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:
    1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).
    2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
    3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
    4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).
    5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
    Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?
    1) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
    2) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).
    3) In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).
    The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences. In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire.
    What is the rapture of the church?


     
  2. sooda

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    Throw out everything you have written .. Thessalonians is specific .. to comfort and support congregants in Thessalonica. The tribulation was OVER in 70 AD.

    The rapture is a con game …. invented for profit about 1830.
     
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    Cleary God is sovereign and in control <><

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    It helps to study and understand the fundamentals and Thessalonians
     
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    My thought:
    A Christian has to flavor the world and dissolve into it like salt. That is no easy life. That is self denial, and its being dead to sin and alive in Christ. That is at least a kind of tribulation is it not? It happens over and over not just seven but seventy times seven. That is I think what Revelation is talking about with all of its references to seven -- as many cycles as are needed. Even though yes there was tribulation in 70AD that wasn't the end, but also there is no real last tribulation until everything is accomplished, and the claim that Jesus is messiah rests in the expectation that all will be accomplished. When is everything is finished, then comes the last trump just like when Joshua is told 'Today you make your last cycle and blow the trumpet'.

    Trouble is cyclical, and we are supposed to be walking around our Jericho however many times it takes. That's the job. We don't get to know when is the end of the cycles. When there's peace in the world. When the arrogant choose humility. When so much treasure is stored that it rains down. When everybody cannot help but admit that Jesus has done it, that's when.
     
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