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Featured Christians: Why are “few” on the road to life?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Deeje, Mar 9, 2021.

  1. Yahcubs777

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    Spoken well, considering you believe that GOD had to die on the cross to save you from your sins. Yet you don't even know what those sins are. And it was written: What is born of GOD cannot sin, yet saul claimed HE was made sin (medicine) for you. THAT IS THE DELUSION, because you believed in unrighteousness. And your words condemn you.

    It is the doctrine of the pahrisees, that Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence warned us about saying: Beware the leaven of the pharisees, and that is actually written in the bible, in John 11:47-52

    47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

    48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

    49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

    50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

    51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

    52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

    GOD did not say this, the Phariees said this; yet this is what you all believed. They mercilessly crucified our GOD, and then said it was for our good, and you believed them.

    My GOD, does not have to die to save me, that HE did not come into the world, HE did not come under my roof for me, but HE sent HIS word, so that through HIS Word i can be saved from death.

    My Salvation did not demand the death of my savior.
     
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  2. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    Actually you mean that the “gospel” you preach is not for me....or for very many others I assume. How many of you believe this “gospel” ? Not even Google has heard of you.....How are you to fulfill the mandate to preach the gospel in "all inhabited earth" to "all the nations"? if there is only a handful of you? (Matthew 24:14)

    That is not my belief at all. Jesus was Jewish and the laws regarding redemption apply to his sacrifice. Jesus did not have to be God to provide the price of redemption.....all the redeemer had to be was the equivalent of Adam...i.e. a sinless human....one who was not a son of the original sinner and father of us all. Adam was no hero, he is responsible for the death of the entire human race. (Romans 5:12)

    Romans 5:18-19....
    “So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.”

    It would also mean that mere humans could kill God....a really stupid notion I’m sure you’ll agree.....either all scripture is God inspired or it isn't. We don’t get to choose what to apply and what to ignore.

    You repeatedly and conveniently ignore scripture when it disagrees with your chosen beliefs.

    As long as humans are in the flesh in this world, sin is inevitable. Without the sacrifice of the Christ, no permanent forgiveness was possible. Saul did not write the letters which form part of the Christian scriptures...it was the apostle Paul.....one specially chosen by Jesus for his specific mission. Do you believe that God has no power over what is contained in his own instruction manual?

    Hebrews 9:22...
    “Yes, according to the Law nearly all things are cleansed with blood, and unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place.”
    Christ’s sacrifice is what makes forgiveness possible. We are cleansed by his blood.

    Do you understand what what Caiaphas did there?....he actually spoke the truth because what he said was “not from himself”....the words he spoke were from God. He actually prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation. That was something the Jews hotly denied.

    Whoever is your teacher is completely ignorant of scripture. There is no understanding of scripture demonstrated in your beliefs at all.

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15.....
    “For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all; so, then, all had died. 15 And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up.”

    My God did not have to die for me either.....but he sent his son who willingly paid the price to redeem us from sin and all the harm and suffering it has done in this world. A condition we inherited from your hero Adam.

    Then I don’t believe that you will benefit at all from the sacrifice that God provided for all of us.....there are only “sheep and goats” in the world when Christ returns as judge.....the sheep will gain life, but the goats will suffer the same fate as Adam......they will never see life again. Eternal death is the opposite of eternal life.

    God made us mortal humans to live forever on this earth. He already had a spirit family in heaven. Everlasting life in mortal flesh was made possible by God in the beginning with a “tree of life” there in the garden to guarantee that life would continue forever, but the disobedience of the first pair under influence from a rebel spirit (who wanted to be a god himself) resulted in the greatest of object lesson humanity will ever experience. Access to the "tree of life" was thereafter denied.

    We are all telling God who we are, and where our worship will be placed....without any interference from him. We will all be caught in the act of being our authentic selves.

    My belief is that the resulting separation at the final judgment of this world will see all opposers of God’s kingdom eliminated from existence. All those who chose false gods and false religions will also be judged unworthy of life. Only those found “doing the will of the Father” will get to enjoy the gift of life as God intended at the beginning.

    No rebels make life easier for anyone. Free will cannot be exercised at the expense of the free will of others....so at the end of the day, we will all have experienced what that feels like...to have your will overridden by someone more powerful, but equally flawed in their humanity. There is a big difference between surrendering your will for the overall good of others and having it stomped on to enrich someone who is simply more powerful and whose motives are questionable.

    God wants us to surrender our will to his, having experienced all the negatives that abuse of free will brings.
    To surrender our will to God’s requires trust....absolute trust, which when you come to really know God, comes very easily.

    Acts 17:24-27....
    “The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. 26 And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell, 27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us.”

     
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  3. Yahcubs777

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    Why don't you post when Jesus His Pre-Eminence said these things? I'll wait.

    Caiphas was not a Prophet, nor led by Jesus His Pre-Eminence lol he prophesied what a joke.
     
  4. Deeje

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    Everything that Jesus said and taught was not recorded and he wrote nothing down himself....he left that to his apostles and disciples, of which Paul was a prominent writer. That makes sense because Paul was the only educated man among Jesus early disciples. Matthew, John and Peter were the only ones of the 12 whose writings came to be included in the Christian scriptures.

    Most of the 12 were humble fishermen with Matthew was a despised former tax collector. Paul was the son of a Pharisee, educated at the feet of Gamaliel, so his ministry was unique in a way, as he was an "apostle to the nations" (to Jews and Gentiles)....."people of the nations" that he formerly despised and an avowed enemy of the Christians whom he mercilessly persecuted.
    His education made his appeals to the learned Greek Philosophers more acceptable because he was not an uneducated man.

    You apparently missed the whole point of those verses.....how sad that you are blinded by your own prejudice.
    The fact that he prophesied at all was the work of God because he said the exact opposite of what he intended to say. If God can make Balaam's donkey speak, surely he can make Caiaphas utter words that he did not intend to speak.
     
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    Cause and effect, those who hurt others do so because they were hurt, because they were not correctly taught. If using the bible as scripture, a "small flock", very few supposedly become refined and make it into paradise. To me, this is a horrible thought, I blame the teacher for not being there and would not want to be with such a prideful unjust and uncaring "God".
     
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    My happiness is dependent on the happiness of all others. If everyone else is not happy, then I as a loving person, could not be happy either.

    No one who is actually loving and caring would be happy knowing others were not happy too.


    The small student success rate is due to a negligent teacher, unequal learning environments, and unequal resources.


    I see no evidence of this.

    I did not ask to be born here, did not ask for my life, or any of it. Forced into a cursed life, this is a jail, not a rental apartment. whose fault is all the abuse, pain, and suffering in the world? let's see...
     
  7. Yahcubs777

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    The problem is that the preachers in this earth haven't understood what HE is saying here. I assume you are not a self proclaimed Christian? Yet, unlike those here who claim to be one, you are the only person to see it as it was written.

    Truly it is only few, but it's not paradise that only a few made, it's immortalisation in life.

    Salvation is not something that you believe will happen after this life; that is a wrong mindset. It is harder to believe in resurrection as a living person, and deceitfully seemingly less costly but its existence does not depend on one's belief.

    Simply put, you don't have to worry about it now, just believe it because it was written we will worry about that later.

    But what Jesus His Pre-Eminence was everlasting life, which living without dying at all. And that is the real salvation from GOD because it saves you from dying and being resurrected. This is impossible for the "crowd" to believe because now you are talking about something while they are alive.

    The few that found it, are those few that were excellent (X cell lent) which means they X'd out the cell system that was lent to them for the immortal kind. They were call more than conquerors because they did what was impossible for most, I'm talking 99% of people to believe in. This, this message is why belief was even a thing at all.

    So the broad way, that leads to the physic death and its wide too because so many people go that way.

    But the narrow and strait Is immortalisation in life. Now you can see why it was only a few that found it.
     
  8. Deeje

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    This is so off the mark, no wonder you are so negative about the Creator. :(

    If humankind had simply done as they were instructed to do at the beginning, (because he was a wise and loving 'parent' who only wanted the best for them) then this life that you lament would never have eventuated. It was disobedient humans who caused all this misery.

    The "small flock" are chosen for rulership with Jesus but they will have earthly subjects....millions of them! These will have an amazing life in the paradise conditions that God originally intended for us.

    Waiting for everyone else to be happy is a rather pessimistic way to live. When would that ever happen in this world created by human greed, selfishness and disobedience? For every good thing man creates, someone finds a diabolical use for it. You honestly think God enjoys our misery? You think he intended for us to endure the terrible things done in this world for nothing? (Hebrews 11:6)

    Does any parent enjoy seeing their children suffer? But you know, sometimes there is justification for the pain and suffering. If your child had a genetic defect that would disable them for life and cause them much pain and suffering, and a renown doctor offered them a surgical procedure that would be done in increments, each in its own way causing much pain, but in the end results in a pain free life....would you consent to it? Would the end justify the means? This is what God is doing......you are not seeing the big picture.

    The teacher is excellent...but the students are rebellious. They refuse to be taught, but want to do things their own way. The only way for the teacher to get across his lesson is for the students to work out for themselves whose way leads to the better outcome. So the teacher allows the students to participate in an object lesson. They will soon see whether their own choices result in what they hope for, or will fail miserably. God has already told us the outcome. How sad to be found among the losers when you already know who wins.

    Oh please......"I did not ask to be born here?" Did any of us ask to be born? Do any of us get to choose our parents or the lifestyle in which they will raise us? You don't seem to appreciate the temporary nature of the object lesson, at the end of which all humans will determine their own destiny. The whiners and complainers will end their existence still whining and complaining, never realizing that they had choices that would determine their future....but the ones who demonstrate that they are decent God-honoring human beings in spite of their circumstances will be ushered into the most amazing life imaginable......the restoration of the one that God gave to humankind in the first place.

    There will be no pain or suffering, and no death....that will all be done away with. (Revelation 21:2-4) We will have the life we were meant to live, but it will be the result of our own choices. It will not be temporary, lasting only a brief lifetime...but we will have forever to do whatever we wish with nothing and no one to stand in our way or to cause us harm. We will never be separated from our loved ones again and life in paradise will never get old....and we will never get old either. That is the Bible's promise from a God who has already told us of his intentions.....and shown us that he has the power and the will to carry it out.
    He owes us nothing....we owe him everything. If anyone misses out, it will be their own doing.

    Try lifting you eyes a little....and seeing things from God's perspective. Its a whole different view from up there. :)
     
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    Yes, this life can be painful, can’t it? I’ve gone through some very hard times....
    Usually, life isn’t all bad! If you’ve had no fun times in your life, I’d find that hard to believe. Unless you’re living in Sudan, or Chad.
    People’s greed and selfishness are to blame, many times.
    Jehovah God has told us how to act (Philippians 2:3-4; Colossians 3:12-14; Matthew 7:12), we also have a built-in conscience that can guide us. It’s not His fault if people won’t listen.

    As far as letting awful things happen....even loving parents will allow their children to undergo painful surgery, knowing the outcome will be better for the child, in the long run.

    There are reasons why life can be a struggle, and can be miserable, for many. The Bible tells us what happened, & why.

    Part of it is outlined in Genesis 3, which reveals that some issues were raised requiring time to settle them....

    If you are truly interested in understanding those reasons, the following link may help ease your mind:

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1999681#h=10:0-13:498
     
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  10. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Actions are the result of an efficacious faith snd, therefore, a sign that such faith is at work. The works don’t save; God saves.
     
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