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Featured Christians: Why are “few” on the road to life?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Deeje, Mar 9, 2021.

  1. cataway

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    you dont even raise an interesting argument . which day ,of creation , did Adam come into existence ?
     
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    Before GOD created any heavens world, he was born. Before the creatiion of the Cherubim, and the Seraphim, and the Angels,and the ministering spirits, and their heavens worlds; havilah and Philadelphia, and long before Genesis 1:1, Father Adam his Eminence was birthed, and watched his father create all things.

    For it was for Adam, these things were created. For Adam needs a Planet to reside in. GOD doesnt reside in any planet. And he is the one they will look at to know how GOD looks. He, Adam, is the Lord of all the administrative heavens, and the Principal Ancestor of the Mankind Race. He is the Son of GOD.
     
  3. Deeje

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    :facepalm: Wow.....I have seen some twisted scripture in my day...but none quite so contradictory as your own interpretation. It is so very obviously LDS inspired because the Bible verses you quote are grossly misinterpreted. (I think you have embellished even their take on scripture) Read the Genesis creation account and see that God created the heavens and the earth before he created the creatures who would share this planet with us humans. We were created last.
     
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    This is why there is no point in talking with you. In the Beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.

    The heavens are Eden, and the Firmament. The earth is, the earth before the fall. These are for Mankind only.

    So where did the Cherubim and Seraphim stay? Where did the Angels stay?Did they not have their own place of residence?

    Man is not the body, Man is a Spirit Being. Father Adam was the first born as a Spirit Being; born of the Most Holy Spirit of GOD. It was only on the 6th day, that GOD starting coupling the body for Man. That is not when Man started existing.

    Its pointless to talk anymore, because your mindset isn't at a height to begin to understand alot. Because this is a question that is evidence of that.
     
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  5. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    You raise some solid points. To me the Baha'i Writings clarify what I see is in some of your thoughts.

    What is worth considering is that God is eternal and pre-existing, actually God is above all that we can attribute to God.

    Adam is the first 'Self of God' that is in our recorded history, that has given us a Message from God, a Baha'i sees Adam as a Universal Messenger. You are correct in that the history of humanity pre-dates any of our know records and is very ancient.

    It has been offerd that even the Holy Spirit is created of God, so we can see that all we can know of God is born into the human reality at some time. So all that was Adam, is also all God's Messengers, they are all born of the creative Spirit, we are all born of them.

    You may like this Table of the Universe

    Tablet of the Universe

    All the best, regards Tony
     
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    What beginning is that? Isn't it obvious that it was the heavens and the earth as we know it? The beginning of God's material creation? Since the "sons of God" (Angels) were "shouting in applause" over this creation, it is also obvious that God's spiritual family of Angels were already in existence.

    In Job 38:3-7....God questions the man Job.....
    "Brace yourself, please, like a man;
    I will question you, and you inform me.

    4 Where were you when I founded the earth?


    Tell me, if you think you understand.


    5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
    Or who stretched a measuring line across it?

    6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
    And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?"


    Job did not exist when God created the earth, but the "sons of God" (Angels) did. Nowhere in the Bible is there any indication that humans were former angels and that they returned to heaven at death.

    Since what follows Genesis 1:1 is a description of God's preparation of the earth for habitation, it is obvious that he catered for all the creatures he made in advance by providing a habitat and food supply before he brought them into existence. If it needed explaining, don't you think God would have provided that explanation? Or did he need you to do that?

    None of what you believe is Biblical......its all your spin on what you believe the Bible says, not what it actually says......all of your interpretations have a strong LDS influence with some eyebrow raising additions.

    Again I will ask....who else believes what you believe? Why will you not answer that?

    Who said that the heavens are Eden and the firmament? Who said that Adam was born as a Spirit Being? Who said that the earth is the earth before the fall? Man was created on the 6th day, which was not a 24 hour period.

    Yes...its called heaven.....the spirit realm. A place for invisible spirits to reside with their God. But when those spirits needed to bring messages or instructions to God's servants on earth, they materialize in human form as the Bible clearly states. When Adam and his wife were evicted from the garden as the criminals that they were....the flaming blade of a sword was posted along with a cherub to prevent the pair from ever re-entering the garden again.

    If what they did was good...why did God punish them so severely?

    That idea runs completely contrary to scripture....Man did not exist before God created him. He started the man breathing and that is when he "became" a "living soul". Read the Bible. A soul is completely mortal.....when they stop breathing, souls die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

    "The founding of the world" is an expression we see in scripture and it is often misinterpreted to mean the creation of the earth...but it isn't. The word used in Hebrew carries the idea of laying down seed as in human conception. So "the founding of the world" is the beginning of the human race.

    You think you understand so much, but nothing you have posted is remotely close to what the Bible teaches....how can you then claim to be a Christian?

    Since you are the one out on a limb here.....could it be you who has the wrong mindset here? Who else believes what you believe? If the answer is no one, then you have a problem.....a big one.
     
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    The Angels are not sons of GOD. That is assuming HIS fatherhood. If an Angel calls GOD father, that angel is calling GOD Abram.

    Job is an allegory of the Fall of man. He is revealing what happend to Father Adam. Father Adam is the Son of GOD. That job, Father Adam, was the first born.

    hahaha you think Heaven is the Spirit realm LMFAOOOOOO

    Heaven is a Physical realm. The Mankind's Heaven, called the 3rd heaven, is Eden.
    Havilah heaven, is the heavens world for Cherubim and Serapim: Point me to where it is written how havilah was formed. And point me to where it says how the Cherubim and Seraphim and Angels were created please.
    Philadelphia, consists of 5 heavens worlds, all for the angels. There are 10 heavens worlds in total

    earth
    Firmanent
    Eden
    Philadelphia which has 5
    Havilah
    Realm of the Elohim.

    You have such a literal mindset, that i bet you think that GOD's throne is a chair hahahahahahahahahahaha

    Every Heavens world has her city, and her garden. The City of Eden was veiled, and is still veiled, until the 10th Dispensation, when GOD will say to Father Adam. On this day, have i begotten thee. And all the children of the kingdom that made Eden, will eat from the tree of life. Father Adam and Mother Eve first, then the 3 Elijah, and their model types, then the 12 Apostles of the Lamb, and their model types, and then the 144, and their model types, and so on until they all have eaten from the tree.

    Man is not creation of GOD. Man was not concpetualised by GOD's brain. Just as a Parent in this earth, did not concpetualise their child. Man, Adam, was birthed by GOD.

    The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world is Adam, and that fall, is what set the foundations of the world. And the fall was to mortal state, so that they can begin procreation.

    It doesn't bother me if you belileve me or not.

    There are the children of resurrection, and the children of life.

    Then there are the children of the first resurrection, and the children of the second resurrection.

    If you are not a child of life, you are a child of resurrection, and that cannot be changed. So believe as you choose to believe. I am running My Race to immortalitsation in life.
     
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  8. Deeje

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    You are free to believe whatever you wish.....but if you have no one who shares your "truth" it might just be a bit lonely out there on that limb....be careful how hard you laugh.....there are no loners in Christianity.

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    I am not alone lol
     
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    Who are you with? Where do your ideas come from?
     
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    I am an Arker.(not ken ham thats nosense).
     
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    Never heard of them.....please explain why the roots of your beliefs have no connection to the LDS...

    WAIT! I just Googled them....here's the definition....

    "A skinny sneaky italian who lies about everything, never lives up to his promises, and snitches. They usually get killed or whacked." :confused:
     
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    Nope, not at all.
     
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    What is the LDS connection? I do not know of any other "Christain" religion that espouses what you believe....
     
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    Sure it is! How could Adam “return to the ground (Genesis 3:19),” if he had not come from it to begin with?

    You can’t “return” to that from which you never were.

    And in that Scripture, Jehovah God was talking to Adam the person, not his body. (I’ve heard that twisted excuse, at times.)

    Your pov’s aren’t completely LDS, but definitely similar in several facets.

    Tell me, exactly whom do you “speak in agreement (1 Corinthians 1:10)” with? In Spiritual matters I mean, of course.
    I bet there’s no one else, not completely.

    Take care. I wish you the best, my cousin.
     
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    This is what i just googled; this is apparently the core beliefs of the LDS:

    What Are the Core Beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

    The founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith, wrote, “The fundamental principles of our religion are … concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 49).

    In addition to the above, Latter-day Saints believe unequivocally that:

    1. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of our loving Heavenly Father.
    2. Christ’s Atonement allows humankind to be saved from their sins and return to live with God and their families forever.
    3. Christ’s original Church as described in the New Testament has been restored in modern times.
    1. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of our loving Heavenly Father.

    Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all humankind from their sins (see John 3:16). God is a loving Heavenly Father who knows His children individually, hears and answers their prayers and feels compassion toward them. Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, are two separate beings but, along with the Holy Ghost (Spirit), are one in will, purpose and love.

    Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer. He is central to the lives of Church members. They accept His grace and mercy, and they seek to follow His example by being baptized (see Matthew 3:13–17); praying in His holy name (see Matthew 6:9–13); partaking of the sacrament, or communion (see Luke 22:19–20); doing good to others (see Acts 10:38) and bearing witness of Him through both word and deed (see James 2:26).

    2. Christ’s Atonement allows humankind to be saved from their sins and return to live with God and their families forever.

    Latter-day Saints believe that God has a plan for His children to return to live with Him and become “joint-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:17). For members of the Church, Jesus Christ’s sacrifice is central to God’s plan for our happiness. Although humans make mistakes and sin, Latter-day Saints view this mortal life as an opportunity to progress and learn. By following Christ’s teachings, embracing His mercy and accepting baptism and other sacraments, Latter-day Saints believe they are cleansed from sin through Christ’s grace and can return to live with God and their families
    forever.

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    Here is the Gospel I am Sharing:

    The Ark led by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who is the GOD of Creation

    The Arks (axe) head, Father Adam His Eminence, is the Son of GOD, and the only Begotten of the GOD.

    The Son of Man, Elijah, who is the Spirit of truth, is the 7th Angel of the Church, and he is the one that will restore all things;

    Core Message:

    That salvation is living forever, without dying at all and waiting for the resurrection, but by transfiguration in life, which is the crossing from mortality to immortality, in life alive, by the assimilation of Divine Eucharistic Revelations from the GOD; Revelations that unveil what was veiled about the mysteries of the Apokulupsis, the Exegesis of Genesis, the Mass Exodus to our Eternal Country, Eden, the Heavens world for the Mankind Race. That by the Assimilation of Divine Eucharisitc Revelations into our Spirit Being that hatches the immortal cell system called 'Zoe", we will subdue the blood cell system, supplant the blood cell system with Zoe cells, and gain the Launch into Jericho; which is when the building blocks of Mortality have been completely brought down, andt then crossing the river Jordan by draining the water in the body, so that the our Spirit Being, can be wedding with our Physical body, and the two can never be parted again. And then at the return of Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence, we will be transfigured and enter into heaven alive without dying at all; a bride prepared without spots, blemishes or wrinkles.

    What is the ARK?

    The Ark is the Celestial immortal body, that can withstand the spectacular Termination of this Solar System.

    So to answer your question, there is no connection.
     
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    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Father Adam, is the Spirit Being not the body. The Person is the Spirit Being. And what they wrote was not even accurate.

    For example, where you taken from the ground? But if your bodies, it will return to the ground. What about the first seeds that planted the first trees, were they taken from the ground first?
     
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    Yeah, I know all that....but your beliefs are so similar to their concepts. Being spirits in heaven before coming to be born on earth.....having Adam and his wife as hero’s instead of the villains that the Bible says they were.

    But it bears no resemblance to the gospels in the Bible. It is therefore a false gospel IMO.

    Who cooked this up and how would you know if it was truth?
    Believing doesn’t make it true.

    Absolutely nothing to do with the Bible’s teachings....who told you that it is “Christian”? Whose ideas are you promoting?

    That is all too weird for me.....sorry. How on earth did these ideas originate and who are the people who believe this stuff? How long have you believed this, and were you raised to believe traditional Christianity? It sounds like a bad sci-fi movie.....
     
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    It is apparent that there are many ‘versions’ of Christ’s teachings but if there is only one truth, it is proof positive that there are valid reasons for why “few” are on the road to life. The “many” do not even have to agree with each other....but the “few” do. (1 Corinthians 1:10) Love is the glue that holds them together as a global brotherhood. (John 13:34-35)

    If we have accepted something that is not true, will God correct us? The answer is no.

    According to Paul, the answer is simple.....it’s our choice to make.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)....
    “But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

    God will not interfere with our free willed choices. If a delusion is what we choose....so be it. That is what we will keep.
     
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    Then like I have said many times, this Gospel is not for you.
     
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