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Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Deeje, Mar 9, 2021.

  1. Yahcubs777

    Yahcubs777 Active Member

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    That paradise is Shiloh. And its happens before the end of the world- meaning the before the earth is transfigured. There is no animals in a heavens world.

    Now ill ask you again, how do you think the animals were in Noahs ARK?
     
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    This is very confusing.....the sea of restless humanity will disappear, but the literal oceans will remain.....why would they disappear? The oceans were here before we were. The sea creatures and birds were too.

    There is no nighttime in heaven? There is actually no time as we know it in heaven. Heaven is a spiritual realm and Earth is a material planet, designed to support all the life that God placed here....you think he went to all that trouble for nothing? Is the universe just something expendable? A waste of effort for a few thousand years whist God trained everyone for life in either heaven or hell? Seriously??

    The earth isn't going anywhere, and it needs no physical transformation....all it needs is the removal of all the ones who are destroying God's handiwork. (Revelation 11:18) This earth was never designed as a training ground for heaven...it was designed to be man's permanent home.

    Psalm 37:8-11; 29....
    "Let go of anger and abandon rage;
    Do not become upset and turn to doing evil.

    9 For evil men will be done away with,
    But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.



    10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;

    You will look at where they were,
    And they will not be there.


    11 But the meek will possess the earth,

    And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

    29 The righteous will possess the earth,
    And they will live forever on it."


    That is not what the Bible says.....
    Isaiah 45:18...
    "18 For this is what Jehovah says,
    The Creator of the heavens, the true God,

    The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it,
    Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited:

    “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."

    So much of what you post is not backed up by scripture......is this your own interpretation or do you have a brotherhood who believes what you believe? Who taught you your beliefs?
     
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    Heaven is a physical realm. Are you telling me that the 12 Precious stones, the 12 gates, the New earth, the transfigured body, is not physical? Im sorry, its you that is SOOOO far from knowing anything about heaven, or about salvation, and have badly misinterpreted what the Law and the Prophets said. Not to talk of not even being close to understanding what Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said.

    For heaven AND EARTH shall pass away, but my word will never pass away.

    There, blows your whole threory out of the water.
     
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    Shiloh is Jesus Christ....it means "he to whom it belongs". Paradise is the world Adam and his disobedient wife threw away.

    Where does the Bible ever say that the world is transfigured? Chapter and verse please....

    Right...they were designed to live on earth like we were....

    All animals in the beginning were vegetarians. No animals ate meat.
    Genesis 1:29-30...
    "Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30 And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so."

    At some point, many of the animals became carnivorous, but the Bible does not tell us when....it only highlights that humans were given permission to eat flesh when they came out of the Ark. (Genesis 9:1-4)
     
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    This the earth before the fall....
     
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    Like i said to you before, this Gospel I am sharing is not for you. The way you speak about Mother Eve is apaulling, she is the Greatest of the Women in the mankind race.Where is your rank? So for the last time, good day.
     
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    In your opinion, you believe this to be true. But what makes your opinion the only right one? What if you are dead wrong?

    You didn't answer my question.....do you have others who believe what you believe, or is this all your own work? Do you have a website so that we can examine your beliefs?
    You know why those questions are important, don't you? If your religion is "none" why are you here in "Same Faith Debates"?
    Your ideas are almost identical to LDS beliefs, so how does that happen if you are not LDS or have been exposed to their teachings? You had to get these ideas from somewhere? Why hide your religious identity?

    In my view, the "new heaven and new earth" are in the future. The "new heavens" and "new earth" are the "new Jerusalem" which is God's Kingdom rulership from heaven under the leadership of his appointed King, Jesus Christ. He will be joined by his "elect", and they will rule over earthly subjects....bringing them back into reconciliation with God....and fixing all that is wrong with human life on this earth. (Revelation 21:1-5)

    Rank? What rank?

    Again, I see an LDS description of Eve, not one supported by the Bible. She was the one who was overreached by the devil first....a disobedient child of God who deserved what she got....not presented in the Bible as the "Greatest of Women" at all...just the opposite in fact.

    Running away again? OK Bye....
     
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    I am not any denomination.

    Its not about view point - its what was written in the book of Revelation.

    I choose to just stop, because its clear that we do not agree. So rather than get in to an agrument, i stop.

    No, I am not a Prophet.
     
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    Jesus Christ is the only descendant of David to whom kingship was promised. Before the birth of Jesus, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” (Lu 1:32, 33) Therefore, Shiloh must be Jesus Christ, “the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah.”—Re 5:5;
    Shiloh” is understood to signify “He Whose It Is; He to Whom It Belongs.”
     
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    I think it is because "they" did not know that he is the one who gave the instructions from the mount of Horeb and discarded all his/moses's laws.(the law was nailed to the cross).
     
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    Rev 5:9 They sang a new song,............. saying,
    “You are worthy to take the book,
    and to open its seals:
    for you were killed,
    and bought us for God with your blood,
    out of every tribe, language, people, and nation.......

    I believe singing/song needs time/ing?
     
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    Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence has no biological lineage because HE is GOD. HE is the GOD of Man and has no beginning and no ending.
     
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    something like 40 times in the bible Jesus is called the ''son of God" and yet you try to change scripture . never called God the son .
     
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    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. ''

    its would seem your thoughts do contradict scripture
     
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    I am not changing anything. HE revealed HE is GOD many times. And simply because i can't be bothered typing it all again, i will just quote one verse:
    He that has seen me,has seen the father.
     
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    HE is GOD, without beginning or ending. HE was not the first born, Adam was the first born. Jesus His Pre-Eminence has no beginning.
     
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    sure Adam was the first man yet he was far from the first of God's creations
     
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    Father Adam, was birthed by the Most Holy Spirit of GOD, a Spirit Being. And he was the first born before GOD started creating anything. Father Adam is the Son of GOD. Luke 3:38
    Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD and Father of Adam.
     
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    22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth.
     
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    This is Adam speaking in Proverbs. And the Proof is that Job was asked those questions, and Job is in the shoes of Adam, and the Fall of Man.

    Job 38
    3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

    4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

    9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

    10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

    11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

    12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

    13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

    14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

    15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

    16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

    17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

    18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

    Proverbs 8
    2 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

    23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

    24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

    25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

    26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

    27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

    28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

    29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

    30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

    31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
     
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