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Christians who oppose homosexuality

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Jeremiah

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Slavery to sex will likely gain you VD, etc. No one is saying you cannot have sex. They are only telling you that sex was created by GOD for marriage, and marriage as the bases for raising children begotten through such a relationship.

If you what it to be more than that, such should be on you and shouldn't be placed on society to agree with you for "your sexual enjoyment sake." Your opinion of my GOD doesn't hurt me in the least, as my opinion of your choices shouldn't bother you. But if they do, that might just be someone's guilty conscience looking for "moral" support...

"sex was created by GOD for marriage"


But yet, Mr.God keeps making homosexuals. So if sex was created for marriage, and He keeps making homosexuals then this god must want homo-marriage.

"as my opinion of your choices shouldn't bother you."

I don't care what opinions you have in the privacy your own home, I just don't want to see it.
 

Mr Cheese

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I think it was pretty much decided that some Christians are homophobic without any real reason and Dagon is much more interesting subject material...

ok...I would agree
(for fear of being reprimanded again for going off topic)

I tend to think any form of bigotry is based in fear, ignorance and stupidity
sadly there are exceptiosn though.
 

Mr Cheese

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"sex was created by GOD for marriage"

But yet, Mr.God keeps making homosexuals. So if sex was created for marriage, and He keeps making homosexuals then this god must want homo-marriage.

"as my opinion of your choices shouldn't bother you."

I don't care what opinions you have in the privacy your own home, I just don't want to see it.

well we all know, homophobes generally :

dont see homosexuals as homosapiens

and/or

regard sexuality as a choice

oh and lastly

as we have seen on the lovecraft "sub thread" simply have hate for no particular reason....
 

Erebus

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ok...I would agree
(for fear of being reprimanded again for going off topic)

I tend to think any form of bigotry is based in fear, ignorance and stupidity
sadly there are exceptiosn though.

Social conditioning too. Some people are brought up that way and it becomes hard to shake, no matter what they do. I know a few people like this myself, they understand that their homophobia/racism etc is completely irrational, but they still have an ingrained aversion thanks to their upbringing.
It's hard enough to get rid of even without the divine command excuse.
 
I am not meaning to make a generalization, but it seems that many Christians are against homosexuality simply because "the bible says we should." When asked why they do not think open-mindedly on the subject and come to their own conclusions on whether or not it's a sin (with God guiding them of course) they say "it is a sin to go against the bible and let in evil thoughts." From the bible, though, it says

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

Does this not mean that God WANTS you to be open-minded? If so, how can doing so be a sin?

One of my best friends is a homosexual and I find personal conflict over the whole "is it right or wrong" debate. (I am a christian btw). The bible says that god is opposed to it yet I can't say to my friend, your wrong stop doing it. I find it hard to respect my friend and the bible at the same time.

I hate to admit it however, that I am leaning towards it being wrong, because simply put i've never met an upstanding and moral homosexual. My friend is a great guy but he has no morals, some of the things he says about men... I would find offensive if it were about a woman. So currently I'm very turned off by homosexuality.

Now on a personal note... I'm trying to understand what is acceptable in sexuality as a christian and am leaning towards the fact that sexual expression is for the soul purpose of having children.... beyond that is weakness. This isn't required from god, however he lets you know that giving into the flesh is weakness even between a man and a woman. So if it's weakness for a man and woman outside of child bearing.... how can I ever accept it as fun time between two men?
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
One of my best friends is a homosexual and I find personal conflict over the whole "is it right or wrong" debate. (I am a christian btw). The bible says that god is opposed to it yet I can't say to my friend, your wrong stop doing it. I find it hard to respect my friend and the bible at the same time.

I hate to admit it however, that I am leaning towards it being wrong, because simply put i've never met an upstanding and moral homosexual. My friend is a great guy but he has no morals, some of the things he says about men... I would find offensive if it were about a woman. So currently I'm very turned off by homosexuality.
I've known many "upstanding and moral" queers. In fact, I am one, and there are several others on this very forum.

The thing you have to remember is that your friend isn't all of us. We have our jerks, just like you. But to judge an entire demographic by one person is stereotyping.

Now on a personal note... I'm trying to understand what is acceptable in sexuality as a christian and am leaning towards the fact that sexual expression is for the soul purpose of having children.... beyond that is weakness. This isn't required from god, however he lets you know that giving into the flesh is weakness even between a man and a woman. So if it's weakness for a man and woman outside of child bearing.... how can I ever accept it as fun time between two men?
Why can't it be an expression of love?
 
Not in the least. You just do not like to hear anything said against homosexuality. That unfortunately is your problem. Time you grew up and started to be honest with yourself. Maybe then your sexual immaturity would then have a chance of redemption. That also go for heterosexuals who have preoccupations with sex...


If you want to get offensive feel free, call me a jerk. I'm simply telling you what is on my heart. And my belief system tells me that sex is to be between a man and a woman for the means of having a child. Inherently this rules out two men, two women or a man and a woman doing it for fun.

I have never met an upstanding homosexual.... I haven't met many but all of them are very worldly. I'm not calling them bad people, i'm simply saying that being worldly it's self is wrong.

Now do I still care about and love people that are "wrong"? yes I do. Infact I rarely judge people about most things, I tend to put off all judgements that I do make and show love and compassion for virtually all people I know whether they are witches, ex-cons, homosexual, covetous etc etc..... all of them are wrong in some way shape or form.

Now ask me the question that really matters..... do I love my gay friend?

yes I do, we're both fish geeks and talk about fish all the time, we hang out, we go get food to eat.... we're best friends

now which is more important to you? the fact that I view sexuality beyond child bearing wrong.... or the fact that I love him none-theless

btw i'm the only human being I know in my life that is "right" on this belief.
 

LittleNipper

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"sex was created by GOD for marriage"

But yet, Mr.God keeps making homosexuals. So if sex was created for marriage, and He keeps making homosexuals then this god must want homo-marriage.

"as my opinion of your choices shouldn't bother you."

I don't care what opinions you have in the privacy your own home, I just don't want to see it.

Sin makes for all sexual disfunction. SATAN was the author of sin, NOT GOD. GOD created ADAM & EVE --- good. GOD simply allows such to occur for now because of the FALL and an ultimate renewal. I have freedom of speech and religion in the United States ---- for now. If you don't wish to see it -------------- change the channel. So once said a liberal...
 
"sex was created by GOD for marriage"

But yet, Mr.God keeps making homosexuals. So if sex was created for marriage, and He keeps making homosexuals then this god must want homo-marriage.

"as my opinion of your choices shouldn't bother you."

I don't care what opinions you have in the privacy your own home, I just don't want to see it.

God keeps making murderers so he must want men to continue murdering
 

Jeremiah

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One of my best friends is a homosexual and I find personal conflict over the whole "is it right or wrong" debate. (I am a christian btw). The bible says that god is opposed to it yet I can't say to my friend, your wrong stop doing it. I find it hard to respect my friend and the bible at the same time.

I hate to admit it however, that I am leaning towards it being wrong, because simply put i've never met an upstanding and moral homosexual. My friend is a great guy but he has no morals, some of the things he says about men... I would find offensive if it were about a woman. So currently I'm very turned off by homosexuality.

Now on a personal note... I'm trying to understand what is acceptable in sexuality as a christian and am leaning towards the fact that sexual expression is for the soul purpose of having children.... beyond that is weakness. This isn't required from god, however he lets you know that giving into the flesh is weakness even between a man and a woman. So if it's weakness for a man and woman outside of child bearing.... how can I ever accept it as fun time between two men?

"I hate to admit it however, that I am leaning towards it being wrong, because simply put i've never met an upstanding and moral homosexual. My friend is a great guy but he has no morals, some of the things he says about men... I would find offensive if it were about a woman. So currently I'm very turned off by homosexuality."

[FONT=arial, helvetica] Sexual Prejudice: [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]Motivations[/FONT]


Thus, a functional perspective assumes that heterosexuals have different motivations for their attitudes toward lesbians, gay men, and homosexuality. Four principal psychological functions have been identified that underlie those attitudes.

First, attitudes serving an experiential function assist heterosexuals in making sense of their previous interactions with gay people. They do this by helping the individual to fit those interactions into a larger world view, one that is organized primarily in terms of the individual's own self interest. Some heterosexuals accept gay people in general on the basis of pleasant interaction experiences with a specific gay man or lesbian. Others hold negative attitudes toward the entire group primarily as a result of their unpleasant experiences with particular gay men or lesbians.
Sexual prejudice can only serve an experiential function when a heterosexual has knowingly had personal contact with gay men or lesbians. For those who have not had such contact, sexual minority individuals are perceived more as symbols than as flesh-and-blood human beings. Whereas attitudes toward people with whom one has direct experience function primarily to organize and make sense of those experiences, attitudes toward symbols operate differently. Such attitudes help people to increase their sense of well-being or self-esteem by expressing important aspects of themselves – by declaring (to themselves and to others) what sort of people they are. Affirming who one is often is accomplished by distancing oneself from or even attacking people who represent the sort of person one is not (or doesn't want to be).
Psychological Functions of Sexual Prejudice
 

LittleNipper

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If you want to get offensive feel free, call me a jerk. I'm simply telling you what is on my heart. And my belief system tells me that sex is to be between a man and a woman for the means of having a child. Inherently this rules out two men, two women or a man and a woman doing it for fun.

I have never met an upstanding homosexual.... I haven't met many but all of them are very worldly. I'm not calling them bad people, i'm simply saying that being worldly it's self is wrong.

Now do I still care about and love people that are "wrong"? yes I do. Infact I rarely judge people about most things, I tend to put off all judgements that I do make and show love and compassion for virtually all people I know whether they are witches, ex-cons, homosexual, covetous etc etc..... all of them are wrong in some way shape or form.

Now ask me the question that really matters..... do I love my gay friend?

yes I do, we're both fish geeks and talk about fish all the time, we hang out, we go get food to eat.... we're best friends

now which is more important to you? the fact that I view sexuality beyond child bearing wrong.... or the fact that I love him none-theless

btw i'm the only human being I know in my life that is "right" on this belief.


If you are telling me that homosexual sex is wrong, then I fully agree with you. If you are telling me fornication is wrong, then I fully agree with you. If you are telling me that two men can fully care for and love each other without having sex between them, then I fully agree with you entirely on Biblical principles.

PS> Sometimes I'm wrong about what I believe ---- that is why I rely on GOD's Word, HIS Standard for HIS Guidance. I do try not to form my own opinions myself ---- they usually are in error --- somehow/someway.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
The reality is that JESUS has come and died for our sins, that whosoever believes on HIM shall not perish, but obtain the gift of eternal life. THAT changed everything. We no longer have a national theocratic government. CHRIST JESUS has moved us into the age of grace for a time.

One of my best friends is a homosexual and I find personal conflict over the whole "is it right or wrong" debate. (I am a christian btw). The bible says that god is opposed to it yet I can't say to my friend, your wrong stop doing it. I find it hard to respect my friend and the bible at the same time.

I hate to admit it however, that I am leaning towards it being wrong, because simply put i've never met an upstanding and moral homosexual. My friend is a great guy but he has no morals, some of the things he says about men... I would find offensive if it were about a woman. So currently I'm very turned off by homosexuality.

Now on a personal note... I'm trying to understand what is acceptable in sexuality as a christian and am leaning towards the fact that sexual expression is for the soul purpose of having children.... beyond that is weakness. This isn't required from god, however he lets you know that giving into the flesh is weakness even between a man and a woman. So if it's weakness for a man and woman outside of child bearing.... how can I ever accept it as fun time between two men?

I have one word for you. Think about it, learn about it, use it. btw, Jesus liked this word as well: LOVE.
 

Jeremiah

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Sin makes for all sexual disfunction. SATAN was the author of sin, NOT GOD. GOD created ADAM & EVE --- good. GOD simply allows such to occur for now because of the FALL and an ultimate renewal. I have freedom of speech and religion in the United States ---- for now. If you don't wish to see it -------------- change the channel. So once said a liberal...

"Sin makes for all sexual disfunction"

Homosexuality is not a sexual dysfunction.

"SATAN was the author of sin"

Humans alone are the author of sin. I mean just look all the nonsense you're making up in this thread.
 

tarasan

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GOD created a perfect angel with free will. HE never did that again and the angels that didn't FALL with Lucifer are now all sealed. The very same will happen to every human that dies and goes to heaven.

where did you get that from in the bible?
 
Sexual desire isn't something that's a conscious and deliberate action like murder. That's like saying one's taste in food or music is a choice.

Sexual desire can however be controlled through conscious decisions.... when you are sitting around doing nothing bored and get an urge.... do you turn to porn or do you fight the temptation.

Poison tastes good so might as well eat it, I have no choice.
 
GOD created a perfect angel with free will. HE never did that again and the angels that didn't FALL with Lucifer are now all sealed. The very same will happen to every human that dies and goes to heaven.


I like that however I don't agree.... the will of angels is debateable...... if anything angels are free to follow their heart.

Free will to me is the ability to choose that which you know is wrong..... angels can't choose what is wrong but they are free to follow their heart.
 
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