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Christians Who Attempt to Regulate Morality
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osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Well in the context of how everyone should treat everybody else there is a common moral ground between all.
But there is also individual moralities and consciences that harm no one, and are different from group to group, person to person. And they should be respected.
Christianity has a one truth fits all system. They are certainly free to practice it for themselves, they are free to warn people civilly. But they have no right to enforce it because its not on common moral ground with everybody else then them. It is an individual's chosen morality being christian.
But there is also individual moralities and consciences that harm no one, and are different from group to group, person to person. And they should be respected.
Christianity has a one truth fits all system. They are certainly free to practice it for themselves, they are free to warn people civilly. But they have no right to enforce it because its not on common moral ground with everybody else then them. It is an individual's chosen morality being christian.
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Earthling
David Henson
If their neighbor isn't Christian, yes, IMO, they are. Christians who bomb abortion clinics, protest soldier's funerals, or homosexuals, or try and influence legislature according to their religious convictions, are, IMO committing trespass against their neighbors and Christianity itself. Now, when they are warning their fellow Christians of breaches in morality in accordance with scripture, no. Or discussing what the Bible says on a forum like this, no.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
All laws reflect a type of morality
Thief
Rogue Theologian
In some cases, yes.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I would focus more on the hypocrisy of such things. They do it but they don't want their neighbor to.
A morality that sets out to harm others for no rational objective reason doesn't deserve to be called morality.
there are some behaviors that directly effect us and some that indirectly effect us. those that directly effect us are our business. those that don't directly effect us aren't any of our business unless we are asked to defend someone against assault. Or advocate for the poor and needy.
some are within the scope of the law and are a law unto themselves. some want to control, or power over others but then they want the government to keep their hands off of themselves and their behavior of controlling what someone else should/shouldn't be doing..
Lao-Tzu’s claim that “the more laws one makes, the more criminals one creates” is the antithesis of Confucius’s assertion that more laws make better citizens.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Laws (outside of religion) exist to maintain justice and order, which are necessary social components, thus deal with things of real world consequence. The arbitrary hocus pocus of religious laws fall outside of this.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Actually no.... rights to property, marriage, family... significant overlap
see 10 commandments
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Interesting quotes you have here. Were both great thinkers. Seems to contradict. Or should we look a little deeper maybe?
1): “the more laws one makes, the more criminals one creates”: That is pure logic. More laws then easier to break; breaking=criminal, so more criminals are created
2): "more laws make better citizens": Makes sense also. MoreLaws=MoreCriminals=Full-Jail, so remaining=LessCitizens BUT all are Law-abiding Citizen = BetterCitizen
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PureX
Veteran Member
Why do you all think so many Christians do this? Especially in voting for parties, politicians, and judges that they believe are biased so that they can force their beliefs on the public through the power of civil law. Why do so many Christians disregard the beliefs of others and the ideals of a free and democratic society so automatically and presumptively?
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
10 commandments do contain some obvious no-brainers (no killing, stealing, etc.) but these are hardly original or exclusive to the Bible. Also, if the rest of the 10 commandments were the basis of modern law, then capitalism would be illegal (no coveting), working on Sunday would be illegal (keep sabbath holy), no child protective services (honor mother and father), non judeochristian faiths would be illegal, as would be the pledge of allegiance (no "idols"), the republican party would be outlawed
(no lying), etc.
sometimes you have to write it out in black and white; which makes it official for everyone.
but criminalizing adult conscious behavior, that doesn't directly effect others, is criminal in itself.
Robert Vincelette
Member
Additionally, there is no certainty in any religious belief so superstitions about such things as sexual practices between consenting adults cannot be subjected to assumption of certainty that is just not there.
PureX
Veteran Member
Why?
Does anyone have any idea why this is?
Judaism does not follow this concept. Neither do Hinduism, Buddhism, or even Islam. So why is Christianity so peculiar in this way?
Robert Vincelette
Member
What makes these man-made conjectures about the impossible to know right?