Christians who are confused about meat

[The Reverend Bob]

Well if you can eat anything, how about a human baby boiled alive?

Eating a boiled baby would go against one of the two rules we have to follow. You don't get it, do you? Christians are not beset by a bunch of rules and regulations like you guys. Little children need lots of rules, grown up kids are given responsibilities. The reason why so many of you look to religion for rules on how to run your lives is because you are immature little children who are irresponsible and can't be trusted. Responsibilities rather than rules are for the big kids.

 

[74x12]

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.

Seriously? Yes it does.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well if you can eat anything, how about a human baby boiled alive? You shouldn't read religious scripture so literally.

At first I thought I read broiled baby. Then I reread the post.

I'll pass on any boiled meat. Boiled meat is just gross.

 

[Windwalker]

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.

Except for this:

Romans 14:

"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
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There you go. "Nothing is unclean", that means pork too. Any questions?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Boiled meat is just gross.

Lobster?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Except for this:

Romans 14:

"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
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There you go. "Nothing is unclean", that means pork too. Any questions?

We keep showing him that one and he just wants to ignore it.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Lobster?

Okay, you got me on that one...though I do prefer it broiled.

But sadly, I'm one of those vegetarians that doesn't eat fish. Even large sea-insects.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Okay, you got me on that one...though I do prefer it broiled.

But sadly, I'm one of those vegetarians that doesn't eat fish. Even large sea-insects.

But it taste so good!

 

[SalixIncendium]

But it taste so good!

Yes, but living in accordance with my virtues tastes even better, at least to me.

 

[Marcion]

But it taste so good!

Pigs and dogs will enjoy the taste of excrement that still contains nutrients.
I will automatically vomit if i have to eat meat or fish.
It is the culture of colder climates to eat meat.
But we have well warmed homes and cars now.

 

[Wasp]

Eating a boiled baby would go against one of the two rules we have to follow.

So what proof have you it doesn't go against the rule on pork?

 

[Kenny]

Majority of Christians eat pork, though it's prohibited by the bible, yet there's a pro-vegetarian trend going on, even one called Christian vegetarianism. But eating meat is not prohibited in the bible.

Why are they concerned by what God has not commanded and unconcerned by what He has commanded?

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to ask here.

For an example:

1) Did God forbid eating pork before the Law (still Old Testament)?
2) Is there a reason that God did put it in the Law?
3) Is it wrong if one desires to be a vegetarian?
4) Is it a cardinal sin to eat unclean food or just putting yourself at risk of a lower life span?

So I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

So what proof have you it doesn't go against the rule on pork?

Again:
One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. Roman 14
What part of "allows them to eat anything" do you not understand?

 

[Wasp]

Except for this:

Romans 14:

"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
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There you go. "Nothing is unclean", that means pork too. Any questions?

Clean or unclean - it is prohibited in the Torah. Even if the apostle is 'convinced'.

 

[Wasp]

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to ask here.

For an example:

1) Did God forbid eating pork before the Law (still Old Testament)?
2) Is there a reason that God did put it in the Law?
3) Is it wrong if one desires to be a vegetarian?
4) Is it a cardinal sin to eat unclean food or just putting yourself at risk of a lower life span?

So I'm not sure what your point is.

The only actual question is there in the middle. I find it controversial that Christians are so liberal when it comes to pork, but not when it comes to meat in general though the abrahamic scriptures never prohibit the eating of meat. In other words it's an innovation when connected to the faith - as for instance if a person thinks they are a better Christian if they are a vegetarian. If there was to be doubt which is more likely to be prohibited for Christians it would be pork.

 

[Wasp]

Again:
One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. Roman 14
What part of "allows them to eat anything" do you not understand?

It's too general.

 

[Kenny]

The only actual question is there in the middle. I find it controversial that Christians are so liberal when it comes to pork, but not when it comes to meat in general though the abrahamic scriptures never prohibit the eating of meat. In other words it's an innovation when connected to the faith - as for instance if a person thinks they are a better Christian if they are a vegetarian. If there was to be doubt which is more likely to be prohibited for Christians it would be pork.

I think that this is a great application of Rom 14 where one can decide how they want to life their life:

Rom 14:2 For one believes hemay eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him

...

5 b He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

So, in the area of food, there is leeway to decide on how you want to live your life.

Certainly no one is "a better Christian" in the sense that what you eat doesn't make you a Christian nor does it make you worse or better.

Hopefully I explained that clearly.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.

Sure there is, Acts of the Apostles 15.

If circumcision was not incumbent on Christians, neither were any of the other Mosaic Laws....except what was stated @ vss 28&29.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

It's too general.

It means we can eat anything we want in regards to food.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Sure there is, Acts of the Apostles 15.

If circumcision was not incumbent on Christians, neither were any of the other Mosaic Laws....except what was stated @ vss 28&29.

I don't think he gets that Christians don't have all these rules since he comes from a rule based religion