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Christians who are confused about meat

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Wasp

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Majority of Christians eat pork, though it's prohibited by the bible, yet there's a pro-vegetarian trend going on, even one called Christian vegetarianism. But eating meat is not prohibited in the bible.

Why are they concerned by what God has not commanded and unconcerned by what He has commanded?

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.
 
Rival

Rival

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Only the Israelites are forbidden pork. Pork was never and still is not forbidden for non-Jews.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Wasp said:
Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.
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Sure it does if we aren't Jews, but I don't think binding is a good term. Binding is contract language.

Wasp said:
Why are they concerned by what God has not commanded and unconcerned by what He has commanded?
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Mmmm everybody does that when they're new, which is probably for about the first 30 to 60 years. People just do what everybody else is doing.

Wasp said:
Majority of Christians eat pork, though it's prohibited by the bible, yet there's a pro-vegetarian trend going on, even one called Christian vegetarianism. But eating meat is not prohibited in the bible.
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Its mysterious though, because it doesn't explicitly say why Jews shouldn't eat pork. Its Area 51. I've heard various explanations and guessed at some myself.
 
The Reverend Bob

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Wasp said:
Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.
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Except for just about all of Paul's epistles, Peter epiphany of the roof in Acts and Jesus telling us that what we eat doesn't make us unclean but what comes out of us makes us unclean
 
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Terry Sampson

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Wasp said:
Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.
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Nothing to back it up? You must have missed Acts 10:9-16.
Acts 10:9-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
  • 9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
  • 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance;
  • 11 and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground,
  • 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
  • 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”
  • 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.”
  • 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”
  • 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
 
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Wasp

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Rival said:
Many, many times the in the Torah Moshe is commanded 'Speak to the Children of Israel'; the Torah is only for the Isrealites and always has been.
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Because moses was sent to them. That doesn't mean the message was only for them. It would have made little sense to say 'speak to all the people in the world and those to come' if it refers to him literally speaking.
 
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Terry Sampson

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@Wasp

And Acts 15:22-

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.
 
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Wasp

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Terry Sampson said:
Nothing to back it up? You must have missed Acts 10:9-16.
Acts 10:9-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
  • 9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
  • 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance;
  • 11 and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground,
  • 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
  • 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”
  • 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.”
  • 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”
  • 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
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No longer considered unholy? Well pigs aren't unholy.
 
leov

leov

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Wasp said:
Majority of Christians eat pork, though it's prohibited by the bible, yet there's a pro-vegetarian trend going on, even one called Christian vegetarianism. But eating meat is not prohibited in the bible.

Why are they concerned by what God has not commanded and unconcerned by what He has commanded?

Of course most Christians would say the old testament is not binding on them, but that doesn't have anything to back it up.
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Prohibition in the Bible had reasons behind them, nothing mystical. God was concern about health of ignorant people eating pork or shell fish in hot climate.
 
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Wasp

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The Reverend Bob said:
Except for just about all of Paul's epistles, Peter epiphany of the roof in Acts and Jesus telling us that what we eat doesn't make us unclean but what comes out of us makes us unclean
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He also says he hasn't been sent to destroy the old laws but to fulfill them. Nowhere does it say the laws of old testament are done away with by Jesus.
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Wasp said:
Because moses was sent to them. That doesn't mean the message was only for them. It would have made little sense to say 'speak to all the people in the world and those to come' if it refers to him literally speaking.
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Yes, the message is only for them; that's the whole distinction between the Jewish people and non-Jewish people. Judaism is an exclusivist religion, with non-Jews like myself being Noachides unless one chooses to convert. One is free to follow certain Torah rules, but is not bound by them. For example, a non-Jew can follow kashrus, but won't really gain by it. A non-Jew is also not allowed to keep the Shabbos, because that is a symbol of the covenant between G-d and the Israelites (he may keep it in a way but do something to violate it, such as turning on a light).

The Bnei Noach, non-Jews, are bound by the Noachide Law.

The 7 Noahide Laws: Universal Morality

The Seven Noachide Laws
 
leov

leov

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Wasp said:
Where did he say that?
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God is rational . It was easier to prohibit harmful things than explain microbiology. Btw there was no punishment indicated, you eat garbage you suffer, not the same with gay sex, for example.
 
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Wasp

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Rival said:
Yes, the message is only for them; that's the whole distinction between the Jewish people and non-Jewish people. Judaism is an exclusivist religion, with non-Jews like myself being Noachides unless one chooses to convert. One is free to follow certain Torah rules, but is not bound by them. For example, a non-Jew can follow kashrus, but won't really gain by it. A non-Jew is also not allowed to keep the Shabbos, because that is a symbol of the covenant between G-d and the Israelites (he may keep it in a way but do something to violate it, such as turning on a light).

The Bnei Noach, non-Jews, are bound by the Noachide Law.

The 7 Noahide Laws: Universal Morality

The Seven Noachide Laws
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Jews might consider Judaism to be for them only, but that's their mistake and a sin. That's not what the Torah teaches. You're not supposed to follow what the Jews teach you, but what the revelation given to Moses taught.
 
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