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Featured (Christians, Muslims): Why your religion?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Scheherazade, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

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    I believe in God, and at this point, I've decided that if I were to follow a particular religion, it would either be Christianity or Islam; these two seem most likely of all the religions I've studied to be true. Yet, I'm conflicted about which one of these is true and unable to make up my mind.

    So, Christians and Muslims of RF, why should I join your respective religion and not the alternative?
     
  2. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Islam is about submission and subjugation in contrast to Christianity which is about liberation and freedom from the works of the flesh. You have to decide on which path better suits you. If you need rules, follow Islam or Judaism, if you want liberty and freedom and don't need that many rules, follow Christ.
     
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  3. Scheherazade

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    I don't think it's so much a question of whether or not one needs such rules as it is a question of whether they are of God. If God desires to liberate us from rules or to constrain us through them, then his command is just either way.
     
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  4. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    And the choice is yours. What is it that you think God wants from you?
     
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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Why not Judasim? It is the root of both Christianity and Islam after all.
     
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    Of course, Scheherazade, in Christianity one still has to submit to a lot of dos and do-nots---some rather absurd. And be subjugated to the fires of Hell and the gnashing teeth if you don't toe the line. If you need rules, follow Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. They all have have their own as well as sharing some.

    Now . . . .if you want to be free of submission, subjugation, and a lot of odd rules I suggest you look into agnosticism or atheism. They have none these, nor are you required to take a lot of mythology as truth. Yup. You can actually reject Noah's silly world wide flood and eat pork on Friday.

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  7. Ellen Brown

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    OR, you could just not join any religion and worship only the Creator? You can spend a lifetime studying the Quran, Bible and those works unique to Judaism and get to be a real expert. Don't acknowledge any purported religious authority, but pray and study and ask the Creator for wisdom? Once you understand, then do your utmost to follow the Creator. Practice Mercy and Justice and wait for guidance in humility.
     
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  8. Scheherazade

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    I have a hard time believing that a religion centered around an ethnic group is the true, final religion. So much of Jewish law is only relevant for people living in the geographical environment from which Judaism sprung. Of course, Jews don't believe you have to be a Jew to be right with God, but it still strikes one as an incomplete and hardly universal answer to the human condition. Christianity and Islam provide much more universally-applicable answers, while not negating the Jewish tradition either.
     
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  9. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Wow that's a good answer. I can respect that.

    Well we are not allowed to proselytize here. But there is plenty of people willing to answer any questions you have. So that you can explore both and make up your own mind for whichever one makes you feel complete.

    I suggest going to the Christian only DIR and asking Christian's any questions you may have. Here: Christianity in General DIR


    And the same for Islam and its DIR. Here: Islam DIR

    Welcome to RF!
     
  10. Musing Bassist

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    Convert to my religion because obviously...

    In seriousness, there is little anyone can tell you beyond advocating for what they already believe. Study hard, pray often and stay sincere in your search for God and if you are open to it you will eventually get an answer.

    Catholicism, ideally traditionalist. Because obviously. :p
     
  11. danieldemol

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    What sects of Islam/Christianity are you looking at anyway? Perhaps if you narrowed down what you truly considered might be of God you might give people a better idea of what they are comparing against.
     
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    So you've studied both the Qur'an and the bible and still can find neither to be above the other from your perspective?
     
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    Well you believe in God; so pray to God to show you the truth. You can only know the truth when God shows you.

    See John 6:45.
     
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  14. Dexter

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    I guess, my first question is what have you studied that makes them seem "most likely"? There are a lot of different ways to tackle your inquiry but I'll start with each of their claims to be historical. Christianity is set in the first century in Roman-controlled Israel and Islam is set in 7th century nomadic Arabian peninsula, and the lower half at that. Christianity rests on three claims: 1)God entered time and space and wrapped Himself in human flesh for approximately 30 years, 2)he was crucified, and 3) he was resurrected. Lord, Crucifixion, Resurrection, each within verifiable history. Islam rejects these three claims and asserts that one must Worship the one God (Allah) and follow his prophet (Muhammad) and not any of his others.
    Historically, we know Jesus claimed divinity, we know he was crucified (this is, in fact, the most sure fact of ancient antiquity on the books right now; if you question this fact you must question everything else in ancient history because of the abundance of evidence), and we know his disciples, the ones that knew him the best and his own family, believed they saw him resurrected. Not just a glimpse, but full-blown conversations and meetings. They BELIEVED it. And scholars (even the atheist ones) can trace the God-Man-Savior theology to within a year or six months of the actual crucifixion. These are historical Facts.
    Alternatively, Islam offers a time line: Muhammad born in 570 AD, takes up prophet hood around 610, dies around 632, and the Quran is standardized in 650 by the third rightly guided caliph, Omar. The problem: THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF THIS NARRATIVE, and I'm talking the main characters like Muhammad and Omar, no Mecca, no Quran. The term "Muslim" and "Islam" won't be mentioned for another hundred years and the hadith 200-400 years after the fact. That's like me telling you details of Napoleon Bonaparte, and doing it without sources. It shocked me when I saw the evidence because the Islamic story is so ingrained in our fabric. But we cannot find evidence of any of this activity. The first time we see any form of Quranic verse in history is 8 verses, heavily modified from what we have today, scrawled on the interior of the Dome of the Rock, and they are all a polemic against Christianity. It was built by Umayyad caliph ʿAbd al-Malik in 691, almost 60 years after Muhammad's supposed death and 40 years after the supposed standardization of Omar in 659. And these verses are in reduced form (so much for the argument of the UNCHANGED Quran). These are historical facts.
    Christianity and Islam are similar on the bare surface but once you dig, they are polar opposites.
    What have you studied?
     
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  15. Rival

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    Noahidism is a thing.
     
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  16. Pastek

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    Do all christians believe in the divinity of Jesus ? I'm not sure about that.

    But clearly that's the major point here. He didn't explain his view about God while it's what gonna determine his final decision.
     
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  17. Unguru

    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    This is false and also the Christian version of Jesus is just a rip-off of Dionysus, who is more likely true as God-man than Jesus.
     
  18. Unguru

    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    My opinion is as follows:

    Either EVERYONE are equally God,
    or God is transcendent and that is that!​

    There is no "God incarnated as just ONE person", that's just silliness. Even or delusional Hindus (Vaishnavites, specifically) knew better, with their "ten incarnations of Vishnu". So Jesus is God-incarnate but not Moses and King David?

    Else you stumble over at the simple idea of Prophets who are supposed to be guided by God but NOT GOD themselves.

    The equation is simple and shouldn't be trampled over, in the case of Christianity. I don't think Christianity has any hope. At least Islam in it's core doctrines makes it clear that God is formless, transcendent and all-pervading, leaving no room for anthropomorphism.
    Christianity and Judaism are vague, contradictory and nonsensical.

    As a Sikh, if I had to choose either, it'd obviously not be Christianity. There is no chance in hell for me to ever take the Christian option.
     
  19. Neutral Name

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    I'm a former Christian who understands that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are very related. They all came from Abraham. You have to decide whether Jesus was the Messiah and whether he was God in the flesh (Christianity) or not. Then, you have to decide whether Jesus was even a prophet (Islam) or not (Judaism). There are many other things but Jesus is a major difference. If you need more info. about the other things, please let me know.
     
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  20. SA Huguenot

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    So much ran through my mind when I read your post.
    1. I saw this before on a website in South Africa, "KletsKerk". a few Muslims joined and pretended to be an Atheist, an Agnostic and a Christian.
    They came up with the story that they now are studying Islam and Christianity and want to decide where they want to be, either as they are, or in a new religion. Guess what, the "Atheist" declared that the Quran gave him all the answers, the "Agnostic" said Muslims are very intelligent, and the "Christian" said the Bible is corrupt.
    needless to say, with a big announcement these 3 persons declared thee Shadaha and "Turned" islam. it took me less than a week to discover that they were Muslims and were never Christian at all.
    I hope you are not one of these tricksters.
    2. My second thought is, why will anyone try to find out which religion to adhere too, and decide betweeen Christian and Muslim? Why not the other religions also as members asked here also? Again, I am suspicious about this thread!
    3. My last thought was, How will this person go around to discover which religion is true? When I was an Atheist, I went to every religion and listened to their claims.
    I then investigated these claims and when I discovered one was lying through their teeth, I kept this information, but scrapped the religion.

    Obviously, as others here also asked: Which sect of Christian or Islam will this person join?

    Ok, I am very pessimistic, but lets see what recipy Scheherazade uses to discover the correct religion.
     
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