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Featured Christians lead people away from Christianity

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Jim

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    @PopeADope What you do is a little hard for me to follow sometimes. :grinning: Maybe there’s a wisdom in it that I haven’t seen yet.
     
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    I go to an area where I don't hear him much or stay outside which has lots of flowers, sculptures, and beautiful stuff and war memorials as well
     
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    And I don't go to the bar.
    It would really offend my AA sponsor
     
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    I agree with you. You just have to accept that there are going to be irrational people.
     
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    The street preachers like this are not targeting the average people going about their days. They are targeting the vulnerable who live on the edges of society. They target the vulnerable to prey upon them, to get them to rally them around them to validate themselves as self-appointed prophets. You are witnessing the blind, seeking the blind to follow them. (I used to work in the downtown area of a large city and this sight was commonplace).

    As far as Christians leading people away from Christianity, that is absolutely true. But it's those who are hypocritical that do this, those who see themselves as "good people", and point their fingers at the the "sinners", decrying the immorality of them, electing politicians to protect them from these "lesser" souls, like gays, immigrant peoples, progressive thinkers, scientists, and such. They are the so-called "believers" that make any open loving person want to spew them out of their mouths. Who could blame them? Certainly not God! :)
     
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    Yes many do and this has been going on since the beginning those who have been entrusted to represent God have abused God's favor and love turning those who truly wish to know God away.

    God is love and Spirit, and God became flesh living as a man Christ Jesus,and suffering dying for all, fufilling His salvation purposes, and keeping His convenant promises, both old and new, reconciling us while we are in sin by sacraficing Himself

    In order to change the levitical preisthood and usher in the new covenant,the good news, salvation for all people! Legalistically, a change of priesthood required sacrafice for the new priest for his sin, as to be clean upon entering the house of the Lord

    knowing this insanity, that festered and it's rules and ritual, and the perverson of God and His character and desires, God came to stop this to shed His own blood for those who were being turned away by the priests and holy men, who did so for political gain, and power,

    As the hopeless cried out seeking love and mercy in shame they hung their heads low wanting to know God,and being told that they could not by the very ones meant to minister God's love, these rulers and priests would use sin, or birth right, or any other reason that was convient and divisive to lord over othets hoarding power and profiting off of war and suffering ( all this sounds familiar to this time now, funny that)

    God states in Isaiah that He never wanted sacrafices or shedding of blood or burnt offering's!
    Isaiah 1:11

    11“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?
    says the LORD;
    I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
    and the fat of well-fed beasts;
    I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
    or of lambs, or of goats.

    12“When you come to appear before me,
    who has required of you
    this trampling of my courts?
    13Bring no more vain offerings;
    incense is an abomination to me.
    New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—
    I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
    14Your new moons and your appointed feasts
    my soul hates;
    they have become a burden to me;
    I am weary of bearing them.
    15When you spread out your hands,
    I will hide my eyes from you;
    even though you make many prayers,
    I will not listen;
    your hands are full of blood.
    16Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
    remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
    cease to do evil,
    17learn to do good;
    seek justice,
    correct oppression;
    bring justice to the fatherless,
    plead the widow’s cause.



    He wanted sacrafices of righteousness, faith in God, loving God putting God before their titles and prestige stubbornly the rulers and priests of God's people doubled down hardening their hearts ignoring God hardlining religious ritualistic dogma in the priesthood making a mockery of God and worse oppressing and turning away people who loved God and wanted to know Him, this is a travesty! These people would use their blessings from God and His promises, the annointing as a status symbol to benifit themselves!

    so God became flesh, and shed His own blood having lived without sin and allowing Himself to be murdered, slaughtered on a cross, by the very ones He came to save saying," Father forgive them they know not what they do" Jesus fufilling the law, in God's great plan of liberation for the oppressed, who curse God not because they hate Him,but because they hate those who represent Him!

    This is important regarding the Holy Spirit, because in the new covenant that God ushered in, God makes clear we can come straight to Him, that we need no earthly priest or ministers Jesus Christ is the high priest forever and ever in the order of melchizedek, and we have the seal of God because of Jesus Christ,sin will not separate us,and God's Holy Spirit dwells with us, eliminating any human corruption that might attempt to come between God and His children.

    Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ lived sinless in the flesh,and sacraficed Himself, to put an end the slavery His children, and show His promises of always being with us and never leaving us guaranteeing His Holy Spirit , promising our ressurection as well, ushering in a new covenant, characterised by faith hope and love,

    Isaiah prophetically wrote before Jesus was born this beautiful description of the King those who claimed to know God to be preists have no excuse they are liars! If they knew God then they would have known who Jesus Christ is -

    Isaiah 53

    1Who has believed what he has heard from us?a
    And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
    2For he grew up before him like a young plant,
    and like a root out of dry ground;
    he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
    and no beauty that we should desire him.
    3He was despised and rejectedb by men,
    a man of sorrows and acquainted withd grief;
    and as one from whom men hide their faces
    he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
    4Surely he has borne our griefs
    and carried our sorrows;
    yet we esteemed him stricken,
    smitten by God, and afflicted.
    5But he was pierced for our transgressions;
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
    and with his wounds we are healed.

    God restored us all, sealing the world with His Holy Spirit, that ministers directly to our hearts the will of God ,revealing God's loving character manifest in our Lord Jesus Christ and His sacrafice, that is a covering of sin forever, requiring no further bloodshed, once and for all!

    God reconciled all His children to Himself,bridging our seperation while we are in still in sin, through Jesus Christ, and the recieving of His Holy Spirit .

    those who were under mosiac law, and specifically the vain dogmatic levitical preisthood, did not experince the Holy Spirit as we do, they wanted rules and rituals,they did not desire a personal relationship with God they brought judgment upon isreal by their own hands!
    Jesus Christ speaking to the authorities and priests in John 5:39

    39You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, you refuse to come to me that you may have life. I do not receive glory from people. I know that you do not have the love of God within you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. he wrote of me. if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

    there were the few like David who truly love God, and desired a personal relationship, and David lived by faith, and was close friends with the Holy Spirt, there were others in pre mosiac times, as well who truly loved God, and that love is always demonstarted by faith, by listening to God's Spirit in our hearts and God is not burdensome,He does not guilt us or shame us, does not threaten or punish,God teaches, loves, and blesses us, God walks with us delighting in our growth,this is why we call God Father or the endearing Abba, because that is God's character.

    truly the new covenant is not new,but the story im telling isnt told very often! And once again in these times a preisthood and church has developed that divideds,excludes, judges, and condemns, while profiting off the less fortunate! God told us this would happen and the time is coming, just know! the rule is going to be reordered forever!
     
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    God has desired faithful children the whole time, and has drawn near to ALL who want to know Him, and love Him, thats throughout all time, and culture, all divisons!

    if anyone of us in any circumstance, culture, sexuality, time, truly wish to know and love God ,He will manifest His Spirit to us and walk with us, this is a personal relationship with God unique to all people who desire God! Jesus Christ God in the flesh, got rid of the adulterous festering rule, and preisthood, shedding Himself of a covenant by which these people oppressed others, and hoarded God as if an item on a shelf,

    This is why Jesus Christ is an offense to those who hate God! because they didn't want to know God anyway, they just wanted the prestige and blessing, the power, and not the love. So alot happened when God became flesh, I could write so much more about this, but I will declare you will not be seperated from God if you do not know Jesus Christs name! or who He is at all! you will only be seperated from God if you hate God , Jesus Christ is God that is the point, sadly that's why so few reconized God even while walking with God in the flesh many never knew it was Him, because they didn't want to know Him, and that makes it me cry, because God is so precious and loving,

    This is why Jesus is reffered to as the Rock of offense, a stumbling stone for those who hate God, and a house of refuge for those who love God !

    Isaiah

    14He will keep you safe.
    But to Israel and Judah
    He will be a stone that makes people stumble, a rock that makes them fall.
    And for the people of Jerusalem
    He will be a trap and a snare.
    15Many will stumble and fall,
    Never to rise again.
    They will be snared and captured.”
    16therefore thus says the Lord GOD,

    "Behold, I am the one who has laid as a foundation in Zion,
    a stone, a tested stone,
    a precious cornerstone, of a sure foundation: 'whoever believes will not be put to haste'

    And as it is written in proverbs

    " a righteous man will fall seven times and rise again, but the wicked stumble in calamity"

    Jesus Christ is the savior of all who love, who seek God, and is the condemnation of those who hate Him, that reject His precious love, and run toward darkness biting in anger, cowering in fear just by hearing the name of Jesus Christ, and I think they would likely melt in God's presence (im kidding , lol or am I?)

    Often the ones that hate God ironically, are our leaders , authorities, and preists that love power, and hate love!

    Even still we are to love them, as God does, having compassion in hopes that they will remove their hardness of heart, and return to God. Love them because God loves us, and we know this as He fills our hearts with Jesus Christ's love and Spirit, with Himself, giving us faith, hope, and love.

    Promising an end to this suffering realm, one day away from those who hate

    God is One , All in All, the Alpha and Omega, and He loves all!

    I will praise God's beautiful name, Jesus Christ, and sing of His goodness for eternity blessed is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of kings, the Lord of lords, the God of gods!

    Ephesians 1:3

    3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5heb predestined us for adoption to sonshipc through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9hed made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. 11 in him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
    12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

    All who love God were chosen and predestined, God knows you and loves you, never allow these false authorities and priests to come between God and you, God bless you all, and may the Spirit of Jesus Christ fill you with peace and love!
     
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  8. Spiderman

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    I hope you are right.
    I also think angels and the spirits of the righteous dead souls (Saints)
    influence us with their prayers and intercession as well.
     
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    There are millions of born agains in America. How about not focusing on some mentally disturbed person? Sounds homeless. You can use a bit of help as well, IMHO.
     
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    I can get help sure....but I believe everyone should chill out, get along, love one another, and not annoy, irritate, and anger people who don't believe what I/or you do. A belief is simply a belief. As sick as I am, I'm a lot more considerate of others than the people who are shouting the Scripture verses in public or preaching that non-Christians spend eternity in hell!
     
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    But consider! If non-Christians are heading for Hell, preaching Hell is appropriate, loving, helpful...
     
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    Not if it pushes people away to hate Christianity more.
     
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    DopeADope Said:
    "....but I believe everyone should chill out, get along, love one another, and not annoy, irritate, and anger people...." and yet, there are still republicans !
     
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    ~~~~~~~~Trump’s Republican Party~~~~~~~~

    Let this be a warning in spades, Trump is dragging your party through the pig farm slug pit. Please hold your nose, don’t breathe or open your eyes because you be in the disgusted land of ooze.

    If you don’t save your party from this pathological

    liar you will not only lose what integrity you have but every seat in Congress.

    Trump is single handily destroying the republican Party

    Trump has told more lies in his first year in office than all the previous Presidents put together

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    Trump must be removed from office before he can do more harm. Our founding fathers gave us the tools we needed and now is the time to use them.

    Impeach Trump NOW!!!
     
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    Christians lead people away from Christianity

    with the helping hand of zion
     
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    That's not what the Bible teaches. The Bible never teaches "We can make people not choose salvation." Rather, it teaches free will. A child who grows up in a born again home can be unsaved. A child who is abused by Christians can be saved. Paul rejoiced in the Bible when people preached the gospel to cause trouble for him in prison--because the gospel was preached.
     
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