I think it's not a willful choice to be homo, but it's willful choice to be hetero. That is why ex-gays in the movement I am talking about, talk about needing the power of the holy spirit to change their desires.
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Christians...is sexual attraction a choice?
I think it's not a willful choice to be homo, but it's willful choice to be hetero. That is why ex-gays in the movement I am talking about, talk about needing the power of the holy spirit to change their desires.
Sexual attraction isn't a conscious choice, but it's not necessarily hardwired, either. It's a murky area. It is obvious that humans of both sexes are sexual opportunists in various situations, regardless of how they identify themselves (sexual orientation is a social construct in terms of the identities and cultural aspects). We see this when the sexes are segregated from each other, like in jails or prisons (it's not all rape), the military, single sex schools, religious institutions, etc. In ancient Greece and Rome, it was normal and expected for males to be bisexual, but in modern American culture, male bisexuality is taboo. So obviously there are cultural and social factors.
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I think it is more like taste for some food. People learn to like different foods. Young person may not like for example olives, but after a while he may get used to them and learns to like them. I think same is with sexuality. All people have it, but in some cases, it is directed differently. Things that happen when person is young can affect what taste he develops. I think this is why some want that small kids gets knowledge about these issues, because by so they can direct the development to their desired way. Homosexuals don’t really procreate, so it can’t be congenital. Only way to produce more homosexuals is to twist kid’s development when he is young so that he develops the taste for homosexuality. This I think is the reason for the homosexual propaganda nowadays.
So, I wouldn’t say it is necessarily a choice, all though I think it can be. And I don’t think it is something that person is born with. I think it is something person develops/learns and is affected by experiences in life. I think it can be changed similarly as one could learn to hate or love some food. This is why I think it would be best not to push these issues to children.
1213, you Christians got to take back your country from Gog and Magog. Many of your Christian brothers and sisters in the past tried to warn about Gog and Magog and the occult world and secret societies, but their warnings were to no avail. You keep in their hands, and they will make people abandon God of the Prophets and Angels for that of the soothsayers and devils.
I'm not saying not to allow these secret societies to do what they want, but the fact, they have by deception taken over your country, you are to take it back and implement the holy gospels in government. I prefer you guys ruling religiously then their sneaky religion ways of ruling by deception.
They tricked your society into accepting homosexuality by means of deception and not intellectual proofs or insights or evidence.
Get up 1213 and all Christians - take your country back so Jesus can return and have support which he can do something. The way the world is now, how can he return?
I'm not saying not to allow these secret societies to do what they want, but the fact, they have by deception taken over your country, you are to take it back and implement the holy gospels in government. I prefer you guys ruling religiously then their sneaky religion ways of ruling by deception.
They tricked your society into accepting homosexuality by means of deception and not intellectual proofs or insights or evidence.
Get up 1213 and all Christians - take your country back so Jesus can return and have support which he can do something. The way the world is now, how can he return?
Reading the title of the thread, it says “Christians” and as a Christian, I responded. It is now in “Religious Debates” and My response was from my religious perspective. Why are you butting in? It wasn’t me who moved the thread, nor do I understand the reason for the move, except for the reason that non-Christians might want to put in their two cents worth?
As a Christian, I was responding from the Christian perspective. Why would I not in a religious debate?
And I would still advocate the Bible’s moral code as I believe it is the best way to avoid many of the ills that have plagued humanity since time immemorial. STD’s are certainly nothing new. Infidelity causes heartbreak as much today as it ever did. If we were not meant to be heterosexual and monogamous, then none of those things that the Bible warns against, would adversely affect us.
Look in nature....those who “mate for life” remain faithful to their mate until death. Anything outside of that programmed behavior is abnormal for that species. They are the model IMO.
You know what this sounds like to me?....your hostility is motivated by anyone who fails to accept your lifestyle as “normal”. I don’t believe it will ever be acceptable to the Creator.....that is my belief, but it’s your choice to live as you want to live. You don’t have to answer to me.
Put like that, it does sound silly.....but the egg never goes where God didn’t design it to, fertilised or not. It remains inside a woman’s body until one or the other takes place....so not so silly really.
Semen is released outside of a man’s body so where he puts that emission is his choice.
No sorry, you have the bull by the horns here....you are speaking about the punishment for sexual crimes.....the acts themselves are a choice and choices have consequences.
Humans have a level of intelligence so that even a child can know the difference between right and wrong. Even they know about why punishment will result. When raised with that knowledge, no one can then rail against the punishment if they knew it was wrong to begin with.
In most cultures there is a moral code with penalties for transgression. Are you suggesting that humans have no choice?
Are you suggesting that punishments cannot be set by those authorised to carry them out? If the punishment is clearly outlined before the crime is committed, then if you want to argue with the Law....who wins? Can there be mitigating circumstances? Of course, but excuses don’t count.
That is how I see it.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
My two cents. I think some will respect your beliefs if your choice in words and stereotype language were not the case. It's easier (at least from my perspective) to respect an opposing opinion if both sides are on equal grounding of respect and knowledge. Words by context such as homosexual, lifestyle, "choice", etc are very red flag words just as n*, or, even deaf and dumb.
These words are a negative based on a. how they used b. why they are used. and c. that they Are used cause much more issues than just disagreeing with you about what homosexuality means from two separate sources in general.
I think that sex becomes a choice whenever you act upon it. The attraction? I am attracted to fudge brownies. It becomes a choice if I eat or if I do not eat. Sex might be like that. Why are men attracted to only other men and women attracted to only other women? It might be because they hate the other sex. Is hate genetic? Probably.
I think that God is all about limiting our desires. Is it not obvious?
Yes, exactly.
I am positive that God does not wish for any sarcasm here, so I shall remain speechless for the time it takes me to talk again.
But, I really do appreciate your import.
Even though I know it, I don't do it. (about limiting DESIRE*) That makes me a hypocrite. Now, I have to wonder of wonders what the Jehovah's Witnesses have to say about hypocricy. God bless us all!
* I know not why, but today I desire to be far far away from the SERIOUS stuff. Do you?
PS Let's just assume that we do not know what exactly really is.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Okay, but the facts seem to indicate that since one's taste in food is more mental and less genetic; therefore they could be changed through ... therapy perhaps. I don't know. I'm just saying that it seems changeable.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Acting on it is a choice. Just like acting on your attraction to women who aren't your spouse.
Just because you're attracted to somebody doesn't mean you have to have sex with them.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I don't think that's 100 percent true. I can program myself to be attracted to certain things. If you choose over and over to love your wife even when she is unlovable, sooner or later it becomes second nature. If I tell myself enough times that something I want to eat is nasty sooner or later I'm going to believe it. But of course all that takes discipline...
Are not homosexuals good for population control?
Hahaha. You must be a woman.
I'm not completely convinced of this.
I think what you're saying is mostly true, but I've also seen documentaries about straight men in gay porn. Now, you can certainly argue that they're not actually straight, and I suspect that is commonly true. However, there is a mechanical element to us, and if they 'shut their eyes and think of England', so to speak...I mean...I think it's possible.
I was confused by this response?
Do you think there was any motivation for them to believe they had been 'cured'?
Yes, moral condemnation like many wrong things, wake you up to it being wrong. That is why it's important for people to never stop condemning it and teaching their children it's evil and wrong.