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Christians: Is Jesus a 'Deity'', to you?

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> that is
disregarding some written words in the scripture just to push the own intention of a man made doctrine

now
:read: (as it is written)
John 8:19
They said therefore to him, "Where is your Father?" Yeshua answered, "You know neither me, nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
20 Yeshua spoke these words in the treasury, as he taught in the temple. Yet no one arrested him, because his hour had not yet come.
21 Yeshua said therefore again to them, "I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sins. Where I go, you cannot come."
22 The Jewish leaders therefore said, "Will he kill himself, that he says, 'Where I am going, you cannot come?'"
23 He said to them, "You are from beneath. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."
25 They said therefore to him, "Who are you?"
Yeshua said to them, "Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you. However he who sent me is true; and the things which I heard from him, these I say to the world."
27 They did not understand that he spoke to them about the Father.
28 Yeshua therefore said to them, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I say these things.
29 He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn't left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him."
30 As he spoke these things, many believed in him.

31 Yeshua therefore said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples.
32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's seed, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can you say, 'You will be made free?'"
34 Yeshua answered them, "Truly I tell you, everyone who commits sin is the bondservant of sin.
35 A bondservant does not live in the house forever. A son remains forever.
36 If therefore the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

37 I know that you are Abraham's seed, yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you.
38 I say the things which I have seen with my Father; and you also do the things which you have heard from your father."
39 They answered him, "Our father is Abraham."
Yeshua said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
41 You do the works of your father."
They said to him, "We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father, God."

42 Therefore Yeshua said to them, "If God were your father, you would love me, for I came out and have come from God. For I have not come of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do you not understand my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.

44 You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks on his own; for he is a liar, and its father.
45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.
46 Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?
47 He who is of God hears the words of God. For this cause you do not hear, because you are not of God."
48 Then the Judeans answered him, "Do not we say well that you are a Samaritan, and have a demon?"
49 Yeshua answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me.
50 But I do not seek my own glory. There is one who seeks and judges.
51 Truly, truly, I tell you, if a person keeps my word, he will never see death."
52 Then the Judeans said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets; and you say, 'If a man keeps my word, he will never taste of death.'
53 Are you greater than our father, Abraham, who died? The prophets died. Who do you make yourself out to be?"
54 Yeshua answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say 'He is our God.'
55 You have not known him, but I know him. If I said, 'I do not know him,' I would be like you, a liar. But I know him, and keep his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day. He saw it, and was glad."
57 The Judeans therefore said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?"
58 Yeshua said to them, "Truly, truly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM. "

thats why some of those people during that time
cant even understand the very words of what christjesus told unto them
for they are humans and
christjesus is not
as he was born of the holy ghost
meaning he has no actual human father in this world
becaused his father is
not of this world

learn the difference between who have come out of the body of Abraham,
and who is not from this world even before in the beginning of creation of the material things
within this very realm or should we say this temporal reality

reasons
(one many reasons if we may say so)
why christjesus
is not just a mere human as what some people thought
:read: (so as it is written)


Hebrews 2:4
God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders, by various works of power, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to his own will?
5 For he did not subject the world to come, of which we speak, to angels.
6 But one has somewhere testified, saying,
"What is man, that you think of him?
Or the son of man, that you care for him?
7 You made him a little lower than the angels.
You crowned him with glory and honor.

8 [You have put all things in subjection under his feet.]"
For in that he subjected all things to him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not see all things subjected to him, yet.
9 But we see him who has been made a little lower than the angels, Yeshua, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for everyone.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brothers,

12 saying,
"I will declare your name to my brothers.
In the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise."
13 Again, "I will put my trust in him."
Again, "Behold, here I am with the children whom God has given me."
14 Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same, that through death he might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
15 and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


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godbless
unto all always
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
The idea that God is a trinity including Jesus - is a later Christian idea. It is NOT in Tanakh.

"So they are polytheistic? "

What are you talking about? The Jews have only ONE God.

Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which YHVH your Elohiym commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:

Deu 6:4 Hear oh Israel, YHVH Elohiym; YHVH is ONE.

It is the Christians that are polytheistic, though they "claim" they aren't.

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yada yada

your continual use of the 'trinity; is false, invented later material isn't very well researched. And I wasn't referring to ''Jews'', /I think you mean Judaism//, I was referring to the ''Christian theologian'' comment,
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
yada yada

your continual use of the 'trinity; is false, invented later material isn't very well researched. And I wasn't referring to ''Jews'', /I think you mean Judaism//, I was referring to the ''Christian theologian'' comment,

Jesus was a Jew - He would have taught ONE God. He would not have taught any pagan trinity ideas. .

Trinity 4th century. A trinity doctrine is not found in the NT.

There are many pages of text, - which "Christian theologian" comment? From which post?

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I am not a Christian either.

And yet you are arguing against çhristianity'', and it'theological concepts, even where it doesn't make sense. Ie your contextual arguments don't follow Christian religious ideas, so there is really no basis for your arguments. You have to argue things contextually.



Any Christian theologian can tell you YHVH refers to the God of the Hebrew. A Strong's Concordance will tell you this.
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/obviously..

The Title in this context, is used for 'Jesus, /For Xians. He is referred to in a Deific way. So, you don't have a contextual argument, because there is no inherent inference that the title used for Jesus, or, say, even if you do not think it means ''Jesus'',, is not a Deific Title.


Jesus was a Jew - He would have taught ONE God. He would not have taught any pagan trinity ideas. .

Trinity 4th century. A trinity doctrine is not found in the NT.

There are many pages of text, - which "Christian theologian" comment? From which post?

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The NT isn't part of my Scripture... not my problem.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Absolutely he is the only way, or how else can you claim to be a follower of Christ, "Christian". Here is why he is to me :

Welcome to RF. I suppose the idea is that a picture is better than a thousand words but I believe it is never easy to see God. I prefer to go by His words and the attributes of God that Jesus displays.
 
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