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Christians: God made the universe out of nothing?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
Who wrote Genesis?
Regards

The book of Job, and the first 5 books of Holy Scripture is credited to Moses. So, Moses wrote Genesis.
Apparently Noah took a history of Adam with him - Genesis 5:1 - so, Moses could have had some historical information from which to use in his Genesis account.
In Holy Scripture we see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' under Jesus' ruling over earth for a thousand years for the healing of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Peace be to you - SURAH XXXIX verse 73
 

Johnlove

Active Member
Why do you say the physical (material ) will go away when Ecclesiastes 1:4 B says: the earth remains forever ?
Please also see -> 1 Chronicles 16:30; Psalms 78:69 B; Psalms 93:1; Psalms 96:10 Psalms 104:5; Isaiah 45:18
How can the meek inherit the earth forever if the forever abiding earth goes away ? _______ Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22; Matthew 5:5
The real world, so to speak, to come is the millennial world to come under Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth, when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. Then, Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that All nations of earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefits of the healing of earth's nations under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over earth - Revelation 22:2 - when mankind on earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on earth for the healing of earth's nations. Thus, opening up the way for everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical earth as Eden originally was.
(Revelation 21:1) “Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first

earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ...”

This physical earth is no longer going to be.


People are no longer going to be physical as we understand physical.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
(Revelation 21:1) “Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first
earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ...”
This physical earth is no longer going to be.
People are no longer going to be physical as we understand physical.

Thank you for your reply. Isn't Revelation written in very-vivid word pictures with Not all of it being literal ?______
How could Jesus have subjects from ' sea to sea ' - Psalms 72:8 - if there is No more literal sea or oceans ?
Since the earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B - then it is Not the planet that will No longer be but rather the wicked world of wicked mankind - Psalms 92:7
Are people ' water ', or are people people, and Not literal water ?_______
Yet, Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15 likens people to 'water'. People are Not literal water. Please also note what Isaiah 57:20 wrote regarding what the wicked are like.
Why did God create the earth according to Isaiah 45:18 ?
Please also notice what healthy physical condition faithful Job looked forward to at Job 33:24-25
Isaiah chapter 35 also describes healthy physical conditions on earth. An earth with No more sickness - Isaiah 33:24
The prophet Daniel looked forward to standing again, Not in sickness, but standing up in physical health - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth is to restore earth's nations to being healed - healed with good physical health - Revelation 22:2
Who inherits the 'earth' forever according to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5 ?____________
 

Johnlove

Active Member
Thank you for your reply. Isn't Revelation written in very-vivid word pictures with Not all of it being literal ?______
How could Jesus have subjects from ' sea to sea ' - Psalms 72:8 - if there is No more literal sea or oceans ?
Since the earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B - then it is Not the planet that will No longer be but rather the wicked world of wicked mankind - Psalms 92:7
Are people ' water ', or are people people, and Not literal water ?_______
Yet, Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15 likens people to 'water'. People are Not literal water. Please also note what Isaiah 57:20 wrote regarding what the wicked are like.
Why did God create the earth according to Isaiah 45:18 ?
Please also notice what healthy physical condition faithful Job looked forward to at Job 33:24-25
Isaiah chapter 35 also describes healthy physical conditions on earth. An earth with No more sickness - Isaiah 33:24
The prophet Daniel looked forward to standing again, Not in sickness, but standing up in physical health - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth is to restore earth's nations to being healed - healed with good physical health - Revelation 22:2
Who inherits the 'earth' forever according to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5 ?____________
All that is shared by me is just what has been reviled to me. Do I understand all of what God is going to do or has done? No I do not. I know that what people believe about our world is not.
 

atpollard

Active Member
(Revelation 21:1) “Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first

earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ...”

This physical earth is no longer going to be.


People are no longer going to be physical as we understand physical.
While people will no longer be physical like we are today, the resurrected Jesus was physical (John makes a very big deal of that fact) Scripture comments on his eating like we eat and challenging Thomas to touch and believe. We shall be like him.

That new heaven and Earth also contains a city, streets, trees that bear fruit, a river ... it sounds very physical to me.

I don't know what you meant it would be like (since you mostly say what it is not) but I see no indication that we will be 'ghost-like'.
 

atpollard

Active Member
Creation ex nihilo, IMO, is not a Biblical concept -- at least for the writers of Genesis.
Genesis 1:1
re'shiyth (Strong h7225) "In the beginning"
'elohiym (Strong h430) "G_d"
bara' (Strong h1254) "created"
shamayim (Strong h8064) "the heavens"
'erets (Strong h776) "and the earth"

So do any Hebrew scholars have any insight on whether bara' should be better understood as "created from nothing" or "shaped from something"?
 
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Johnlove

Active Member
While people will no longer be physical like we are today, the resurrected Jesus was physical (John makes a very big deal of that fact) Scripture comments on his eating like we eat and challenging Thomas to touch and believe. We shall be like him.

That new heaven and Earth also contains a city, streets, trees that bear fruit, a river ... it sounds very physical to me.

I don't know what you meant it would be like (since you mostly say what it is not) but I see no indication that we will be 'ghost-like'.
After Jesus rose from the dead he came into a locked up room where the disciples were all staying. Some of the disciples touched Jesus, and Jesus eat some bread in front of them. So Jesus seemed to be physical, but Jesus did not need to have the doors unlocked to get into the room.

Again gave us a physical world, and gave us physical laws that govern our world. But those physical laws don’t govern God’s world.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
After Jesus rose from the dead he came into a locked up room where the disciples were all staying. Some of the disciples touched Jesus, and Jesus eat some bread in front of them. So Jesus seemed to be physical, but Jesus did not need to have the doors unlocked to get into the room.
Again gave us a physical world, and gave us physical laws that govern our world. But those physical laws don’t govern God’s world.

Jesus rose from the dead because God resurrected Jesus out of hell ( biblical grave )
- Acts of the Apostles 2:24; Acts of the Apostles 2:32; Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 13:30 ; Acts of the Apostles 13:37; Colossians 2:12
God resurrected Jesus in a ' spirit ' body - 1 Peter 3:18 B. That is why many did Not recognize Jesus in the different materialized bodies which Jesus used after his resurrection.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Genesis 1:1
re'shiyth (Strong h7225) "In the beginning"
'elohiym (Strong h430) "G_d"
bara' (Strong h1254) "created"
shamayim (Strong h8064) "the heavens"
'erets (Strong h776) "and the earth"

So do any Hebrew scholars have any insight on whether bara' should be better understood as "created from nothing" or "shaped from something"?
"Bara" means "to carve out of," or "to cut away from," AFAIK.
 
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