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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, May 16, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    Please bear with the somewhat lengthy introduction here. It's quite relevant to my concluding thoughts. Thanks. :)

    In looking up the Christian position on anal sex I came across the Catholic stance:

    Is anal sex ok between a married Christian couple as foreplay?

    "5) Bible forbids anal sex

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say anal sex is OK, on the other hand Romans 1:24-27 says:

    “women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women…”​
    Scripture is clearly saying women cannot have “back door” sex. The Bible doesn’t say “it’s only sex if there is a climax.” Using that excuse is kind of like Bill Clinton saying “I didn’t have sex with that woman.”
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    And the Protestant stance.

    Is Anal Sex A Sin?

    "Many believers wonder can Christians have anal sex?

    Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

    Leviticus 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    While it is true Christian couples don’t have a sex limit on what they can and can’t do in regard to sex positions and oral sex. Sex is the male’s penis into a female’s vagina. Anal sex is penis to anus, which is sodomy. You might say, “how about if it’s between husband and wife,” but God didn’t intend men to put their penis inside an anus period.

    Can I have anal sex outside of marriage instead of having sex?

    No, nothing can be used as a substitute. Sexual immorality is a sin.

    Sodomy is anal sex! Its name comes from Sodom and Gomorrah where God destroyed the city because of the homosexuality that was going on there. The anus was not designed for sex, neither is it safe to practice. Even though the Bible doesn’t discuss anal sex between a married couple, from what the Bible does tell us you can see that God intended for the penis to go inside the vagina not the anus. Married couples shouldn’t be having anal sex. We must not take away God’s natural way of doing things.
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    So why have I brought up the subject?

    Well, in another thread the fact was brought up that "there are sexually responsive nerve endings located in the anus." I was unaware of this, but informed of the fact I started looking into it and found:

    "The abundance of nerve endings in the anal region and rectum can make anal sex pleasurable for men or women. The internal and external sphincter muscles control the opening and closing of the anus; these muscles, which are sensitive membranes made up of many nerve endings, facilitate pleasure or pain during anal sex.

    The anal sphincters are usually tighter than the pelvic muscles of the vagina, which can enhance the sexual pleasure for the inserting male during male-to-female anal intercourse because of the pressure applied to the penis.
    Source: Wikipedia
    and

    "The anus is part of both the male and female sexual system. The external anal sphincter is one of the most sensitive parts of the human body, with one of the densest concentrations of nerve endings. You can get a lot of pleasure out of external anal stimulation without ever going inside."
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    Wow, who would have thought! I didn't.

    So, my question is: Why would god put such an abundance of pleasure-producing nerve endings in the anus unless he intended them to be stimulated, and in turn provide sexual gratification?

    I don't necessarily expect a good scientific or theological answer, but would like the reasonable Christian here to evaluate their religion's position on it, particularly in light gay anal sex. If god thinks gay anal sex is sinful, why put all these pleasurable nerve endings in the male anus? Likewise, putting them in a female anus would seem to invite male-female anal sex.

    Seems to me something in Christian theology has gone very much awry. My suspicion is that it's a prejudice that arose out of simple revulsion among heterosexuals toward anal sex .

    Your thoughts.

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  2. oldbadger

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    How about the Churches that are ordaining Gay priests and marrying gays now?

    No mention?

    Usual rant, Skwim?

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  3. Marcion

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    The split between anus and vagina is a relatively recent phenomenon in mammals. The most primitive mammals still have a single cloaca just like reptiles and dinosaurs like birds, where the two functions are still in the same opening. The nerve endings in both areas have the same evolutionary origin.

    If going to toilet was not a pleasureable experience, how would animals ever like to sit still to pass out their stool an urine? The same for sneezing etc.

    The Church decided at one point that mere enjoyment for enjoyment's sake was not a part of being a good religious person, so having any kind of pleasure just for fun became suspect. You cannot live without eating and you cannot conceive without letting sperm and egg come together. Had this been possible, I'm sure the Church (at the time of the Pauline letters were written) would have forbidden any kind of sex or eating as well.

    Living to maximize personal pleasure is hedonism (not spirituality) because it makes you more self-centered instead of less.
     
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    A possible explanation:

    Social scientists doing research on morality have noted that the feeling of disgust sometimes leads to the unreasonable conclusion that the act provoking the disgust is morally wrong. Many heterosexuals react with disgust imagining gay male sex. It was possibly the same reaction felt by the heterosexual male authors of the Bible when they imagined homosexual sex..
     
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  5. Brickjectivity

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    This is not hard to explain. Christian life is supposed to be full of spiritual songs, hard work and do-gooding. Sex with your wife is for relieving your sexual stress that builds up, so that you can get back to do-gooding; and you avoid wasting time on things with no eternal value. It is a very strict, very joyful, very disciplined lifestyle that is highly unpopular. Consider the Shakers who take it a little too far and never have sex at all, dying out from lack of reproduction, so busy with their do-gooding. Christian life is an extreme way to live, and so lots of things just don't matter. Sex is extra, unless you are having kids or are burning with passion in need of relief. Famously St. Jerome also goes overboard, declaring sex to be sinful.

    The theology is not an issue, but Christianity is somewhat unrecognizable. Some of us are nuns and monks, some lukewarm, some fingerpointers and most don't really think we are expected to live so zealously. Consider those Christians who do often are somewhat odd and anti-social, and you understand how it gets confusing. Most Christians rely heavily upon grace, because they don't spend every minute do-gooding.

    So, why, you ask would God put so many nerve endings there? Its actually irrelevant. Its on the same footing with why does it feel so good to while the day away doing nothing or why is it so awesome to get revenge or why is there a serpent in Eden.
     
  6. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    I mean, sometimes...it just slips in.....:oops:
     
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  7. InChrist

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    So are you basically saying that, if something feels good or is pleasurable, then God intended it to be so and it should be okay?
     
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    Yet the clitoris, where the densest concentration of nerve fibers is found, is relatively distant from the anus, which suggests that there was no division of the nerve fibers when the anus evolved, as you seem to imply. And, the penis doesn't appear to be in the least physically connected with the excretory function of any vertebrate, so there's no reason to suspect its nerve fibers went into the creation of the anus. In all, it appears the dense concentration of nerve fibers in the anuses of both males and females do not have the "same evolutionary origin," but developed independently of the clitoris and penis.



    A very likely explanation.

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    No. I'm basically asking; why would god put such an abundance of pleasure-producing nerve endings in the anus unless he intended them to be stimulated, and in turn provide sexual gratification?

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    If you knew anything about anal sex you'd know that there is no "just slips in." But I appreciate your attempt at bragging. ;)

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    Your attempt to dodge the issue is duly noted.

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    I answered you and put in a full post. It is you who don't want to address your own OP.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Where did it say that homosexuality was the issue with Sodom & Gomorrah?

    Sodom from Hebrew means scorched, and Gomorrah means a heap.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    My principle question was:

    "why would god put such an abundance of pleasure-producing nerve endings in the anus unless he intended them to be stimulated, and in turn provide sexual gratification?"
    And your answer was:

    "Its actually irrelevant. Its on the same footing with why does it feel so good to while the day away doing nothing or why is it so awesome to get revenge or why is there a serpent in Eden."
    So, whatever you mean by "same 'footing," my question was not in the least like your two examples. My question has to do with how your god constructed us physically.

    So, if your reply wasn't a dodge, it is a gross misunderstanding.

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    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Just means you don't know about training. I'll help ya out.
    Screenshot_20190516-145617_Samsung Internet.jpg
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  16. Skwim

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    Gotta ask the writers of the linked article. I'm sure there are a lot of interpretations of the event by the various Protestant denominations, but I couldn't include all of them, or even close to it.

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    Looks like a jeweled cuff link to French cuffs.

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    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    For scale it's about the size of a tangerine.
     
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    Are you implying he ****ed up his design? "...but, but, but that conflicts with ancient goat herder fables! There have been none more wise, knowledgeable, and intelligent than ancient goat herders!"
     
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    Looking around I see that it's a butt plug. Your own?

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