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Featured Christians and Q

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ecco, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. cOLTER

    cOLTER Well-Known Member

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    We already know that there was a conspiracy among powerful members of the government as well as others to undermine Trump before and after the 2016 election. The fact that the Left is embarrassed to acknowledge (or even doesn’t believe it at all) is par for the coarse.

    A person has to be gullible and naive not to understand why the head of our world propaganda department CIA moves over to NBC as a mouthpiece after his tenure under Obama.

    Daily Kos? :facepalm: Pravda has more credibility than that band of lunatics!

    My understanding is the Q isn’t just One conspiracy theory.
     
  2. Thirza Fallen

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    The best Q ever!
     
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  3. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    What's a proper atheist? Doesn't sound like you are atheist.
     
  4. Mestemia

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  5. Clara Tea

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    QAnon - Wikipedia

    Link says: "QAnon[a] (/ˌkjuːəˈnɒn/), or simply Q, is a disproven and discredited far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping,[1] cannibalistic pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotted against former U.S. president Donald Trump while he was in office."

    Well, they'd be easy to spot in a crowd.

    If they need proof, all you need to do is say one name "Fuggit." Unfortunately, I keep getting my mouth washed out with soap.
     
  6. Clara Tea

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    Staple deer horns to the family dog at Christmas time?
     
  7. InChrist

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    It’s not surprising; churches are rife with apostasy. I think the Q phenomenon and idol worship of Trump are due to biblical illiteracy in the majority of churches now.
    Falling away from biblical truth and faith is one of the primary indicators of the end of the church age, the soon emergence of Antichrist on the world scene, and coming Judgement.
     
  8. ecco

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    Spreading rumors of rumors. Oh, well.

    Yes. Any half-decent person would feel guilty. Unless it was part of what they wanted to achieve. Certainly, Trump feels no twinge of guilt.

    Trump unleashes new threat to American democracy at CPAC - CNNPolitics

    (CNN)Donald Trump has no remorse about the deadly violence he incited with his lies about a stolen election in his uprising against the US Congress.

    This much was clear when the ex-President put the Republican Party on notice on Sunday that he intends to use his hold on its grassroots to try to suppress the vote heading into the presidential election in 2024, in which he hinted he might run. ​

    He continued his lies and excoriated all those who spoke out against him.

    In a further inflammatory move, Trump also called out by name Republican lawmakers who voted to impeach him in the House and convict him in the Senate for his assault on the Constitution, including Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and Sens. Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Mitt Romney of Utah. His singling of them out demonstrates his intention to exact revenge in upcoming primaries and could leave them vulnerable to harassment as they travel around the country.​

    Trump's speech, apparently intended to further radicalize followers who have already shown they are willing to embrace violence, was carried live on Fox News and other conservative outlets in an unfiltered stream of falsehoods.

    Trump got his biggest cheer when he refreshed the lie that he won in November, then embarked on multiple flagrantly false claims of fraud. His fury put down a marker that any Republican who wants his endorsement and to prosper with the party's base must now support his dangerous lies about the last election being stolen.​
     
  9. ecco

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    As I said, Religious people in general and very religious people, in particular, are taught to unquestioningly believe and unquestioningly accept. This makes them ideal candidates to become cult and conspiracy followers.

    Your views are not really very different from those of the evangelicals believing everything Q puts forth.

    You think Q followers, Trump idolizers are biblically illiterate. They quote chapter and verse to show that they, Trump and Q are biblically correct.

    Just like the Southern slaveowners used the Bible to justify those practices.
     
  10. SomeRandom

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    It’s more bemusement of a train wreck I’m watching online.
    I feel bad for anyone who is being adversely affected by the conspiracy. But it’s been something of a running joke that everyone really knows who Q is. Answers range from it’s just some punk kid who didn’t realise it would take off the way it did, to a cyop perpetrated by a trolling leftist to just some jerk on 4chan being, well, a 4chan jerk.
    No one is really taking it all that seriously as it’s likely Q is just some trolls pulling pranks.

    Well I didn’t really expect even half decency from the Donald of all people.
     
  11. InChrist

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    Oh, like the Q claim God’s focus is the USA instead of Israel? Or their belief that it will be man that brings in 1000 years of peace and a righteous world government, rather than Jesus Christ at His second coming? Not to mention their innumerable false predictions about the election, Trump, etc.

    Just because someone quotes, ( or in reality misquotes the Bible), verse or chapter, doesn’t legitimize their falsehoods which contradict the whole counsel of God.

    It’s true that “religious” people are often taught to accept blindly and certainly those in cults are brainwashed to accept things unquestionably..
    but not believers who are born again and set free by Jesus Christ, at least they shouldn’t.

    Those who belong to Christ are to “search the scriptures” to see whether what they are taught or hear or see is true ( Acts 17:11) and to “test all things” ( 1 Thessalonians 5:21).
     
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  12. danieldemol

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    Fame is no indicator of divinity in my opinion.
    As for the rest of your post, it looks mostly like eisegesis as opposed to exegesis to me.
     
  13. PruePhillip

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    I see it the other way. The text is fairly plain to me.
     
  14. ecco

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    Tell it to the widow of the Capitol cop that was killed Jan 6.
    Tell it to the families being torn apart by severely conflicting views.
    Tell it to the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for extra cops around the capitol on March 4th.
     
  15. ecco

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    Well, lessee...

    Survey: More than a quarter of white evangelicals believe core QAnon conspiracy theory

    February 11, 2021 By Jack Jenkins
    (RNS) — A new survey reports more than a quarter of white evangelical Protestants believe a QAnon conspiracy theory that purports former President Donald Trump is secretly battling a cabal of pedophile Democrats, and roughly half express support for the debunked claim that antifa was responsible for the recent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

    Experts say the data point to a widening ideological divide not only between white evangelicals and other religious groups in the country, but also between white evangelical Republicans and other members of their own party.

    The survey, which was conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, reported 29% of Republicans and 27% of white evangelicals — the most of any religious group — believe the widely debunked QAnon conspiracy theory is completely or mostly accurate. QAnon has infiltrated other faiths as well, with 15% of white mainline Protestants, 18% of white Catholics, 12% of non-Christians, 11% of Hispanic Catholics and 7% of Black Protestants saying they believe it.​


    Don't take my word for it. Read the story this preacher tells...

    Evangelicals are looking for answers online. They’re finding QAnon instead.

    How the growing pro-Trump movement is preying on churchgoers to spread its conspiracy theories.
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    August 26, 2020

    CATHRYN VIRGINIA


    The first family to quit Pastor Clark Frailey’s church during the pandemic did it by text message. It felt to Frailey like a heartbreaking and incomplete way to end a years-long relationship. When a second young couple said they were doubting his leadership a week later, Frailey decided to risk seeing them in person, despite the threat of covid-19.

    It was late May, and things were starting to reopen in Oklahoma, so Frailey and the couple met in a near-empty fast food restaurant to talk it over.

    The congregants were worried about Frailey’s intentions. At Coffee Creek, his evangelical church outside Oklahoma City, he had preached on racial justice for the past three weeks. He says the couple didn’t appreciate his most recent sermon, which urged Christians to call out and challenge racism anywhere they saw it, including in their own church. Though Frailey tries to keep Coffee Creek from feeling too traditional—he wears jeans, and the church has a modern band and uses chairs instead of pews—he considers himself a theologically conservative Southern Baptist pastor. But at one point, the couple Frailey spoke to said they believed that he was becoming a “social justice warrior.”

    Pastors and congregants disagree all the time, and Frailey doesn’t want to be the sort of Christian leader whom people feel afraid to challenge. But in that restaurant, it felt to him as if he and they had read two different sacred texts. It was as if the couple were “believing internet memes over someone they’d had a relationship with for over five years,” Frailey says.

    At one point he brought up QAnon, the conspiracy theory holding that Donald Trump is fighting a secret Satanic pedophile ring run by liberal elites. When he asked what they thought about it, the response was worryingly ambiguous. “It wasn’t like, ‘I fully believe this,’” he says. “It was like, ‘I find it interesting.’ These people are dear to me and I love them. It’s just—it felt like there was someone else in the conversation that I didn’t know who they were.”

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    #SAVEOURCHILDREN MEME VIA INSTAGRAM​
     
  16. metis

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    I agree, and I just have to wonder how many pastors have "caved" so as spout right-wing propaganda?

    I left my fundamentalist Protestant church back in the late 1960's because the pastor refused to denounce racism after an incident we had in the church whereas a decision was made by the church council not make black families feel welcome. The pastor told me that if he did that he'd probably lose 1/3 of the congregation who would likely just walk out. I told him then I would not longer belong if he couldn't stand up for that which is right, and he didn't as my parents still attended there.

    BTW, this is one BIG downside of churches that use the "congregationalist model", whereas it's the congregation actually runs the church.
     
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  17. ecco

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    Perhaps they shouldn't, but they do.

    The single biggest support group is among Evangelical Christians.

    Evangelicalism
    Evangelicalism, evangelical Christianity, or evangelical Protestantism,[note 1] is a worldwide trans-denominational movement within Protestant Christianity that maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace alone, solely through faith in Jesus's atonement.[1][2][3] Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message.
     
  18. SomeRandom

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    Like I said, I feel bad for anyone negatively affected by this whole debacle. Seriously, my heart goes out to them.
    But what do you want from me? I’m not in charge of how others react to this online. I’m not in charge of Q. I’m not even American. To me it’s just a horrible train wreck and an embarrassment on the world stage.
     
  19. InChrist

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    All your statistics and examples are doing is proving the Bible is correct when it indicates that apostasy will be rampant in the end times. Apostasy takes place within the church when false teachings proliferate. It is very clear that’s what is happening. We are just about at the end of the church age.
     
  20. InChrist

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    Good for you. We have had to leave, churches, too. I guess every model of church can have its downside if people are not submitting to Christ. A pastor led church can turn into a dictatorship if the pastor thinks he gets to Lord it over everyone else.
     
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