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Christianity must change or die

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by fallingblood, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    A Modern Reformation of Christianity Articles « Belzian Educational Foundation

    Christianity is a religion that has survived and flourished for nearly two thousand years. Through these years, it has changed, branched off, and evolved into what can be described as multiple Christianities. At the same time, much of Christianity has become stuck in the past, unwilling to change or improve. In the name of Christianity, atrocities are still committed, and intolerance justified. There are some forms of Christianity that has set out to rectify these wrongs; however, there are also those that refuse to make the changes that they need to. These forms of Christianity are now at a cross roads, in which they can choose to change for the better and continue into the 21st century, as respectable institutions, or they can slowly die out, leaving behind a legacy of intolerance, and disgust.

    Before moving further though, it has to be realized that there is no single, defining form of Christianity. The religion, as would be expected, has changed many times throughout the course of its life, evolving into something better defined as multiple Christianities. Within this spectrum of Christianities, we see a vast variety of beliefs. We have on one side, those who see the Bible as infallible, the very word of God, and their form of Christianity as the only way. On the other side, we have those who see the Bible as an important historical or literary work, written by various different men for different reasons, and their form of Christianity only being one among many true ways.

    This is important to realize as Christianity is extremely diverse. One form of Christianity does not define another form. What one group of Christians believe, is not necessarily what all Christians believe. By grouping all Christians together, one does an injustice to those Christians actively trying to make a difference, as well as isolate others who would have otherwise been willing to try to make matters better.

    When I use the term Christianity in rest of this essay, I am referring to Christianity in general terms. I recognize that many Christians, and various forms of Christianities have already began changing for the better. I am not addressing those forms when I use the term Christianity. Instead, I am referring to the forms of Christianity that refuse to change, and insist of justifying intolerance, narrow mindedness, and unquestioning blind faith.

    It should then be obvious as to why Christianity must change. The justification of intolerance is more than enough reason for a change to be made. It should be no surprise then that we see one of the major complaints about Christianity being that it is an intolerant religion. I see no better example than the consistent protests that are seen in European countries when the Pope visits. Without fail, we see charges of intolerance being leveled at the Church with each visit. Intolerance towards homosexuals, and the intolerance towards women (in the form of refusing to ordain women), are issues that are brought up repeatedly when the Pope goes to visit. This is clearly a sign that there is a major backlash against this intolerance that is being condoned and justified by a religion.

    It is not just the intolerance towards groups of individuals that is the problem though. It is also the narrow minded thinking that many Christians, and in general the religious, are guilty of. The idea that “my way is the only right way” needs to be abandoned. The condemnation of an eternity in hell, for those who choose to believe in a way different than ones own, needs to be abandoned. Such a position is arrogant, and foolish. It shows the exact opposite of what Jesus said was one of the most important commandments; that is to love one's neighbor. One can not truly love their neighbor and at the same time condemn them to hell.

    To have a god that condemns the vast majority of individuals to hell simply is not a loving god. It is a god full of hatred, and simply is pitiful. God does not have to be that way. One can truly believe in an all loving God, and still be true to their religion. One can believe in a God who is not so spiteful that it would send those who do not believe in it to hell for eternity (even though that God refuses to supply any evidence for it's existence, but relies on the follower to have faith). What it really comes down to though is the acceptance of others. It is becoming a little more humble, and acknowledging that they are not some extremely special individual that has been granted one of the few places in heaven. What is needed is for Christians to stop being so arrogant, so self-centered, that they believe only they are good enough to be worthy of all of God's love. Really, it means maturing.

    It also means though that one should feel free to challenge their beliefs, and not just simply follow them blindly. When a religion is so easily used to justify atrocious acts, that religion needs to be questioned, and challenged. But even more so, the leaders, and member of that religion that allow their religion to be violated in such a disgusting manner, need to be challenged, and possibly removed from any form of power.

    Christianity needs to be challenged. It needs to be questioned. It needs to change. For too long individuals have been allowed to hide behind a religion in order to justify their own intolerant beliefs. That is simply unacceptable, and should not be allowed any longer. And the people who must change this are other Christians. Christians can no longer allow others to sully the name of the faith they follow as well. They need to be the ones who instigate this change, that is long over due. It is no longer acceptable to simply stand aside and allow other Christians to continue to portray Christianity as a disgusting, and perverse belief system.
     
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  2. -Peacemaker-

    -Peacemaker- .45 Cal

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    Why don't you just rewrite the Bible?
     
  3. Photonic

    Photonic Ad astra!

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    I'd be willing too.
     
  4. Shermana

    Shermana Heretic

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    I totally agree, unfortunately it's very difficult telling people that their non-Messianic-Jewish beliefs are a bunch of post-2nd century heresies that are totally deviant from the original Church, and that Gentiles are supposed to Graft to the Israelite tree. Likewise its difficult getting them to question the Canon and Manuscripts. All these Antinomian and "Faith-Grace" doctrines cause them to think they're allowed to do whatever they want as long as they claim to believe. The answers I get to the question of "Can a Christian rape and steal and murder and fornicate and lie and still be saved" are downright sickening most of the time.

    However, most "Christian" people believe what they feel most comfortable with, and they are rarely willing to examine what they've been spoon fed. I'd say the problem may not be so much the doctrines that are pushed by the preachers but the intellectual laziness and presumptiousness of those who claim the Title. And the whole concept of "Eternal Hell if you don't believe my version" is totally different than what the Jews of Jesus' day were familiar with, which was more of a Temporary Purgatory. It seems for the most part that they value pride more than truth.
     
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  5. Mark2020

    Mark2020 Active Member

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    Look who's talking!
     
  6. Villager

    Villager New Member

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    Not one word has changed. What has happened is that the prophets of the New Testament have been proved correct, that many antichrists have gone out, inventing new corruptions, if not caricatures, calling themselves 'Messiah', in effect.

    No antichrist has been very successful, so the challenge of the gospel for mankind remains.
     
  7. Villager

    Villager New Member

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    It's been tried. Muhammad, Smith, Russell, and of course the Vatican. It just doesn't cut any ice.
     
  8. Heathen Hammer

    Heathen Hammer Nope, you're still wrong

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    Or the NT ;)
     
  9. Villager

    Villager New Member

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    Or the NT what?
     
  10. Heathen Hammer

    Heathen Hammer Nope, you're still wrong

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    The NT is a rewrite of the OT. I was ironically expanding on your statement. That 'it's been tried'.
     
  11. Villager

    Villager New Member

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    Oh, how funny. The NT drives people to preposterously silly games.
     
  12. Heathen Hammer

    Heathen Hammer Nope, you're still wrong

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    Non sequitir; did you have any comment on my statement?
     
  13. Viker

    Viker Caucasian detritus

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    It's been happening already. We knock, it rarely answers. When it does answer, it is very cranky or seemingly tired as answers fly in circles. It really needs coffee.
     
  14. Heathen Hammer

    Heathen Hammer Nope, you're still wrong

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    That's not true.
     
  15. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    The church is changing and sometimes not for the better. Not all change is good re the introduction of JW's and Mormons.

    The question becomes: Where do the answers to the questions come from? If they come from sinful people the answers will be sinful.

    Unfortunately for the sinner we have the intolerant God who is not the do whatever you want God that you woud like.
     
  16. Bob Dixon

    Bob Dixon Not sure if Gnostic...

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    I agree. How can we just accept things that were fully made up such a long time after the Christ,especially when they're found nowhere in his teachings AND they're illogical.

    Come on, son.

    Unsubstantiated by scripture AND illogical? Please, don't.
     
  17. Villager

    Villager New Member

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    That which changes is not the church. The church may come, the church may go, but it remains the pillar and foundation of eternal truth, wherever and whenever it is found. Imitated often, but never duplicated.
     
  18. waitasec

    waitasec New Member

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    people rewrite the bible in their own minds anyway...
     
  19. waitasec

    waitasec New Member

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    prove it
     
  20. chazz

    chazz New Member

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    Top Iranian Clerics Admit Regime’s Attempts At Destroying Christianity Have Failed…
    TEHRAN — Iran’s religious leaders continue to denounce Christianity in their speeches and meetings. In an April 2011 speech, Islamist hardliner Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, who is known as a mastermind of the government’s strategy against Christians, called for greater government action against Christians in Iran. Yazdi admitted that government actions aimed at destroying Christianity have thus far failed.
    “In connection with the growth of Christianity in some of the provinces, the actions taken by the government and the judicial authorities and the massive funding of such programs have not achieved the desired results,” Yazdi said during a meeting with the heads of the Islamic Propagation Center of Qum. Yazdi, who is famous for his extremist Shiite beliefs, blamed an undisciplined attitude and lack of proper supervision for the government’s failure to contain Christianity. “Today there are many websites that are fighting against Islamic ideology, and one must consider that responding to these sites is a very valuable thing,” Yazdi said.
    In a speech last year, one year after the tumultuous presidential election in Iran, Yazdi called the widespread protests in response to the election a “menace.” According to Mohabat News, Yazdi demanded that “this country-wide menace must be controlled like a virus.” He then accused the republic’s enemies — those protesting the elections — of anarchy and of allowing “false religions” like house-church Christianity to spread.
    Another religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Jafar Sobhani, has also warned against the ever-increasing activities of Christians, according to Mohabat News. Sobhani lamented the fact that 600 people have converted to Christianity in one city.
     
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