Christian Trinity

[Fool]

Are all aspects of the trinity equal?


John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28
You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 

[columbus]

The first major flaw in Christian logic I noticed was the Problem of Evil.
Soon after, however, came the realization that Trinitarian Monotheism is an oxymoron. 1+1+1=1 only has value to a religionist with a particular theological axe to grind.
Tom

 

[Muffled]

Are all aspects of the trinity equal?


John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28
You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

I believe there are a few aspects that are not equal.

 

[Muffled]

The first major flaw in Christian logic I noticed was the Problem of Evil.
Soon after, however, came the realization that Trinitarian Monotheism is an oxymoron. 1+1+1=1 only has value to a religionist with a particular theological axe to grind.
Tom

I believe you will not be able to say that evil is illogical. Also I don't believe you can logically prove it isn't a problem. So I don't see any flaw in the logic.

I believe your math is incorrect. it is always 1=1. 1+1+1=3. Any idiot knows that. The problem arises when people try to add apples to oranges. One apple plus one orange plus one peach does not equal three oranges.

 

[Fool]

I believe there are a few aspects that are not equal.

the flaw is in believing that Jesus is the only begotten and that the Absolute doesn't have state of matter, or substance.

it doesn't have a specific form but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a dynamic form

 

[Fool]

I believe you will not be able to say that evil is illogical. Also I don't believe you can logically prove it isn't a problem. So I don't see any flaw in the logic.

I believe your math is incorrect. it is always 1=1. 1+1+1=3. Any idiot knows that. The problem arises when people try to add apples to oranges. One apple plus one orange plus one peach does not equal three oranges.

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1

an aspect is a part and not an absolute unto itself. it is a thing among things about something.

 

[columbus]

I believe you will not be able to say that evil is illogical. Also I don't believe you can logically prove it isn't a problem. So I don't see any flaw in the logic.

Evil is not illogical.
Evil in a world with an Almighty and Benevolent God is illogical. That's a major reason that I don't believe in religion, although I do believe in god. Religions like the Abrahamic ones are illogical.
Tom

 

[Muffled]

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1

an aspect is a part and not an absolute unto itself. it is a thing among things about something.

I believe God doesn't have parts. I do believe He is everywhere so it might seem like He has parts.

 

[Fool]

I believe God doesn't have parts. I do believe He is everywhere so it might seem like He has parts.

you don't believe god is omnipresent?
omniscient?
omnibenevolent?

those are aspects. the names of God are reflective of other lesser aspects

 

[Muffled]

Evil is not illogical.
Evil in a world with an Almighty and Benevolent God is illogical. That's a major reason that I don't believe in religion, although I do believe in god. Religions like the Abrahamic ones are illogical.
Tom

I believe it is quite logical when one realizes that God loves those who are evil.

I believe I have a thread for that.

I believe basing your lack of belief in religion on a false concept leaves you without a valid reason.

 

[Muffled]

you don't believe god is omnipresent?
omniscient?
omnibenevolent?

those are aspects. the names of God are reflective of other lesser aspects

I don't believe aspects are parts. I don't believe God has a separate compartment for omnipresence and omniscience. I believe He is omniscient wherever He is.

 

[columbus]

I believe it is quite logical when one realizes that God loves those who are evil.

I believe I have a thread for that.

I believe basing your lack of belief in religion on a false concept leaves you without a valid reason.

You have already done a good job of convincing me that you don't know any more about god than I do. It's what religionists seem to do best.
Tom

 

[Muffled]

You have already done a good job of convincing me that you don't know any more about god than I do. It's what religionists seem to do best.
Tom

I believe since you so easily believe in false concepts that this one may well be the case also but I wouldn't say so because I only know you from your words. However if you think that false concepts of God means you know more about God than I do then I believe you now Him less.

 

[Nakosis]

Are all aspects of the trinity equal?


John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28
You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

I believe a bunch of folks got together and decided the Trinity was the truth. As if the truth could be decided democratically.

 

[columbus]

I believe since you so easily believe in false concepts that this one may well be the case also but I wouldn't say so because I only know you from your words.

Which one?
Almighty God?
He's usually the first to go overboard when religionists are trying to explain themselves. Like in the book "When bad things happen to good people. " The first logical step the rabbi author took was jettison Almighty. God wants to help, but He can't! His Hands are tied by ancient Scripture.

Or Benevolent? It's obvious from reading Scripture that God has favorites. They refer to themselves as "The Chosen People" and such. And that isn't just ancient Israelites, modern EuroChristians do it too. God is only Benevolent with the people who choose the correct Prophet, from the plethora of Prophets. That is called "Salvation by Faith".
Tom

 

[columbus]

However if you think that false concepts of God means you know more about God than I do then I believe you now Him less.

No. Please don't misrepresent me.
I don't think anybody knows anything important about God. Including both of us.
Tom

 

[Muffled]

I believe a bunch of folks got together and decided the Trinity was the truth. As if the truth could be decided democratically.

I believe the Truth stands on its own. It is good to have a majority stand for it though.

 

[Muffled]

No. Please don't misrepresent me.
I don't think anybody knows anything important about God. Including both of us.
Tom

I believe you belief has no foundation.

 

[columbus]

I believe you belief has no foundation.

The foundation of my belief is reality.
Not a faith in ancient humans telling stories with an agenda.
Tom

 

[columbus]

I believe the Truth stands on its own. It is good to have a majority stand for it though.

What majority?
Most people know that your religion is wrong. That's why most people aren't Christian.
Tom