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Christian Homosexual Referendum

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by linwood, Oct 8, 2004.

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  1. Yes, I would vote against homosexual marriage because it is a sin.

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  2. No, I would not vote against homosexual marriage even though it's a sin,it's an individuals choice.

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  1. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    The topic of homosexual marriage rights is getting extremely hot in this forum.
    I myself am responsible for fanning many of the flames and at times may have come close to if not crossed the line.

    There are implications of bigotry and intolerance abounding around here and I just wanted to take a poll based on a statement Mr. Emu posted that at first went entirely unnoticed by me.

    Here`s my point.

    Considering this topic is becoming so divisive that I believe many of us are letting our emotions get in the way of understanding the other persons statements I would like to take a moment to clear the air.

    I don`t care that most Christians in this forum believe a physical homosexual relationship is a sin.
    They have that right and I will not argue it.

    To paraphrase Mr.Emus statement above what I want to know is whether or not you agree with a persons choice about homosexuality would you truly allow them to make that choice for themselves?

    If a referendum were to be polled today and you had a ballot in your hand would you vote for or against homosexual marraige rights regardless of your religious beliefs in order to allow these people the right to make that choice for themselves?

    I`m really only looking for Christian votes in the poll but anyone can comment here on the results.

    this is an anonymous poll with a 7 day time limit.
     
  2. DrM

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    Marriage - no
    Unions with rights - yes.
     
  3. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Whats the rationalization for that DrM?
     
  4. DrM

    DrM Member

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    Marriage, as defined, is a holy and legally-binding union between a man and a woman. They have all the rights of society including life and health insurance, pension plans survivor's rights, hospital visiting rights, etc. Homosexuals who wish to enter into a legally-binding agreement paralleling marriage should have the right to do so. I see no reason why a union between same sexes should not be honored.
     
  5. skills101

    skills101 Vicar of Christ

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    In my opinion, same-sex marriage is a huge revolution in America's history. I know that I'm not Christian, but all the Christian's I've encountered claim that they are against same sex marriage, but don't discriminate against gays and lesbians. But you know? It is discrimination; discrimination is picking a minority of people who have not commited crimes, and taking away the rights the majority has. Now, I know it is against the Christian religion, but not all gays are Christians! They do not believe it is a sin, and they find the lifestyle amazingly beautiful. As to regards that marriage has historically been always between a man and a woman, then slavery should still exist and then women shouldn't have political power!
     
  6. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Whose definition is that?
     
  7. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    If same-sex unions were to have the same rights as marriages... every law that has the word 'marriage' would have to be edited to add 'and same-sex unions,' would it not? It'd be a lot easier and more equal to just let us have marriage.

    Besides, I don't want to be same-sex unioned. I wanna get married.
     
  8. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    I'm sorry, DrM, marriage is defined by the state. The marriage ceremony may be civil or religious and when religious may be considered a holy ceremony. A ceremony is not marriage. Marriage is the expression of intention witnessed by an agent of the state and duly recorded

    -pah-
     
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  9. DrM

    DrM Member

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    You're correct pah.
     
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  10. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    I'm not a Christian, but my comment is this: Anyone that would deny the rights to a minority that the majority enjoys is guilty of discrimination. You may claim it on religious grounds, or you may argue that it is moral for this reason or that, but in the end, it is discrimination. Have the integrity to say that you discriminate.

    To thine own self, be true. - William Shakespeare

    TVOR
     
  11. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Bump...Just looking for a few more votes.

    :)
     
  12. Corban

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    then where do you stop, with your logic, why should we not allow a brother and a sister to marry, why should we not alow a man to marry a sheep.

    Should we allow an older man to marry a ten year old as long as they don't believe it's a sin, and as long as they find the lifestyle beautiful.
     
  13. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    I dunno why shouldn`t we allow a brother and sister to marry?
    Two consenting adults and no harm done to anyone?

    Where`s the dilemma?

    Because the sheep cannot consent to the arrangement nor sign the marriage license.

    Again because the child cannot know what she is consenting to and they won`t accept a marriage license application signed in crayola.

    In both these consent cases there is harm done.
     
  14. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    This reminds me of an argument I`ve heard before.

     
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  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Corban -
    This argument is sheer folly. I would hope that you (or the people that influence your answers) are mature enough to understand the concept of mutual consent between two adults. Those that are not mature enough to grasp this simple concept should have no voice in this process. If you are mature enough to understand it, then you also understand that the argument you present is ludicrous.
    And yes, we have all seen the question posed - "What about a man and a toaster?"
    Please try to keep the conversation above that level.

    Thanks,
    TVOR
     
  16. Doodlebug02

    Doodlebug02 Active Member

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    You know, I don't know if I voted in this poll or not but I'd have to go with the 2nd option even though I disagree with it. I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin.
     
  17. fromthe heart

    fromthe heart Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I would vote either way...It's not my place to judge anyone :tsk: and although I don't like the idea of homosexual marriages and feel it takes something away from the instution of marriage I will not stand in anyones way in their rights to do what they feel fit no matter what I think!:)
     
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  18. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    TVOR,
    All laws discriminate.... against murderers, theives etc..... justice/morality is not something that should be decided upon by popular vote.... and a majority view of something is not inherently evil/bad.

    That being said.... I would not vote against homosexual marriage.:)
     
  19. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    I appreciate that Scott, but when someone commits murder or steals something, there is a victim. So, for me, that would be a discerning factor.

    Thanks,
    TVOR
     
  20. Melody

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    I would not vote to keep homosexuals from getting married. The government should not be in the business of enforcing any one religion's belief system.
     
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