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Christian: Do you believe in TULIP?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology DIR' started by angellous_evangellous, Nov 9, 2007.

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  1. I believe that TULIP is true

    5.4%
  2. I believe in a slightly modified version of TULIP

    8.1%
  3. I do not believe in TULIP

    75.7%
  4. Never heard of it

    13.5%
  5. Angellous is my Daddy - he doesn't like TULIP and me too

    5.4%
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  1. angellous_evangellous

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  2. Ringer

    Ringer Jar of Clay

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    Is this just going to lead to a link to your thread dealing with the apostolic fathers against TUPLIP? But to answer your question, I do believe in TULIP. Probably to a varying degree though than others.
     
  3. angellous_evangellous

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    Nah, I'm just interested to see how many Calvinists there are on the forum, that's all. I think that Calvinism is very much alive in Christianity, and another RFer doesn't think so.

    So we have this...

    The link to the thread is just to show where I stand.
     
  4. Buttercup

    Buttercup Veteran Member

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    Ooops, sorry. I didn't notice the forum this thread was in. Still, I recently left Christianity after a long time and I've never heard of TULIP. I think that's just as well.
     
  5. *Paul*

    *Paul* Jesus loves you

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    I do not believe the tulip formulation and I am not an arminian either. I agree with many of the points raised in tulip but not to the extremes it often goes to.
     
  6. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    I do not believe in TULIP
    nor do I believe in Calvinism.
    I find their beliefs very strange.
     
  7. joeboonda

    joeboonda Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe in TULIP nor in hyper-calvinism, but I do believe in the doctrine of eternal security or assurance of salvation.
     
  8. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    I don't see a need to codify beliefs other than the scriptures we already have. Whether it be "Tulip", the Nicene Creed, sola scriptura or the like. I would rather speak where the Scriptures speak and be silent where they are silent.
     
  9. Izdaari

    Izdaari Emergent Anglo-Catholic

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    I would certainly have to say that my theology is much influenced by Calvin, though by Luther to a greater degree.
     
  10. Vish

    Vish New Member

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    the Bible does speak of predestination but it also speaks of free will. since the Bible is all true as a Christian I have no choice but to accept both even if I cannot comprehend it.
     
  11. uu_sage

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    As a Christian Universalist, I am a three point Calvinist- Unconditional election, perseverance of the saints and irresistible grace.

    If I had to express TULIP from a Universalist perspective this is what it would look like:
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    • Total reconciliation
    • Unlimited atonement
    • LOVE
    • Irresistible grace through the ages
    • Perseverance of God
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  12. Izdaari

    Izdaari Emergent Anglo-Catholic

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    I don't usually speak of my beliefs in terms of TULIP or other specifically Calvinist terms, but breaking it down, I can go along with TU_IP. I.e, it is only the L (Limited Atonement) that I totally can't buy. So in Calvinist terms, I guess I could be a "Christmas Calvinist" (no L, no L) or Amyraldian.

    I would say I'm monergistic in the Lutheran, not the Calvinist, way.
     
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  13. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Mihi Quaestio Factus Sum

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    Total depravity - While I accept that no person can save themselves without God, I believe that every single human being is capable of coming to God by free choice. Thus I reject TD.

    Unconditional election - I reject this utterly.

    Limited atonement - I reject this.

    Irresistible grace - God offers grace to all to those who freely chose it.

    Perseverance of the saints - At any time one can accept Christ, and at any time one can reject him. Once again I reject this doctrine.

    The basic problem I have with Reformed Christianity is that I do not accept the idea of a predestined elect. It makes God arbitrary and cruel, and I'd go so far as to argue that it's a narcissistic theology.
     
  14. Freducator

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    I don't agree with a single one of the points, nor in many cases even the doctrines underlying them, so let's dissect this for me.

    Total depravity

    I am a semi-Pelagian. I don't entirely subscribe to the idea of "original sin". I believe man is inherently neither good nor evil, and that it is man's free choice whether to do good or not. However, I still maintain that there is no good without God, i.e. if a person chooses to do good, they inherently choose to obey the will of God. There is no good that contradicts the will of God, and no evil that follows it. So, the grace of God is necessary, but whether or not to receive it is an individual choice.

    Unconditional election

    My soteriological beliefs are a bit odd since they are a bit syncretic, rather than purely Christian. I believe they're not dissimilar to certain Latter-Day Saint ideas, though their origin is more buddhist. Effectively, I believe in universalism – everyone will be saved, eventually. But before they are, they must attain sainthood, or oneness with God, and this rarely happens over merely one lifetime, but over several incarnations. So, I believe in rebirths. I don't think most Calvinists would approve, somehow :D

    Limited atonement

    Well, since I reject original sin, Jesus did not atone for anyone's sins. Jesus died, in my belief, for the will of God. He died to demonstrate absolute faith and Godliness, and he died so that we may find God through his example, by bringing our lives under his ordering.

    Irresistible Grace

    Nope, as per the above, I believe man chooses whether or not to receive the grace of God, and to do so constitutes righteousness, whereas to reject God's grace constitutes at best a simple lack of any righteousness and at worst complete unrighteousness, or evil.

    Perseverance of the Saints

    Not even applicable, as per the above.
     
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  15. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    Absolutely not!

    Have you ever refrained from doing something you knew was wrong? I know i have. Which makes Calvins ideas wrong. And that is only the first idea of TULIP. I dont even have to bother with the rest of his views.
     
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    You know what's insane? Calvinists worship flowers. It's true. Have you heard of TULIP?
    /lamest pun in existence

    No. Calvinism is wrong.
     
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