Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
That's what atheism is. The rejection that any type of god exists. Non-belief.
Sorry, but there's really nothing left to say about it.
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Christian Atheism
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That's what atheism is. The rejection that any type of god exists. Non-belief.
Sorry, but there's really nothing left to say about it.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
This is what I have been saying for the longest time. There is a difference between being religious and living according to a philosophy.
Are you sure you replied to the right thread? Your post doesn't seem to have anything to do with the one you quoted.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Christianity has no place for Atheism as it is founded upon various form of superstition and very formalized and systematic ones at that.
You must have a belief in miracles, deities, and magic. The issue with all this is that all these things revert back to a god of some sort although an atheist can technically believe in magic. Christianity does not permit one to disbelieve in its superstitions and practice it. It is a faith not a practice.
Ancient Polytheism when in urbanized areas was only about ritual and practice, not faith. So doubt of the gods was permissible unlike doubt of the ritualism.
Abrahamic religions like Islam and Christianity do not permit this.
You must have a belief in miracles, deities, and magic. The issue with all this is that all these things revert back to a god of some sort although an atheist can technically believe in magic. Christianity does not permit one to disbelieve in its superstitions and practice it. It is a faith not a practice.
Ancient Polytheism when in urbanized areas was only about ritual and practice, not faith. So doubt of the gods was permissible unlike doubt of the ritualism.
Abrahamic religions like Islam and Christianity do not permit this.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Actually to be a Christian means you follow the teachings of Jesus, in order to be Christlike. It has nothing to do with the Trinity, original sin, heaven, hell, the devil, etc. All of that is denominational specific stuff that came later.
If he does not believe in deities, then he is an atheist.
Not sure how he could be a practicing Christian in that case, though.
A religion can easily be atheistic - and arguably, should be - but that is an entirely different thing than atheist (organized or otherwise) being a religion.
As a comparison example: it is generally accepted that religion involves communication among humans. It does not follow that such communication is necessarily religious.
You certainly aren't a Christian. Not since the 3rd century, and the First Council of Nicaea. Christianity drew a line in the sand about the trinity and other basic beliefs, and was one of the issues that had been settled. Anyone that believes the notion you contend is a heretic by all definitions of any Christian church on the planet.
Denying Jesus doesn't mean you are denying God though, but you certainly wouldn't be compatible with Christianity at all. You're basically a Jew dressed up in Christian clothes at that point.
Christian heretics are still christians. They just won't have the agreement of orthodoxy. And they do exist, always have.
Gnostic christianity also exists, although I don't know whether they qualify as heretics.
Denial of the trinity basically puts you at odds with the fundamental pillars of Christianity. Why not just come up with your own religion at that point?
Jedster
Well-Known Member
You mean, like this guy who was a speaker in London's speakers corner some decades ago
No, that's not true. To be a Christian you must confess that Jesus is the Son of God, otherwise you're not Christian.
John 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
And there are many other places saying basically the same thing in various ways.
Non-trinitarian Christianity exists as well, incidentally.
But that is hardly a "pillar". Deities are just accessories of religion.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
He's a Jew
In fairness, the modern bibles were rewritten to cater to the ideas of the Council of Nicaea long after the fact and before that there really wasn't much consensus on these things. Some people believed in them and some didn't, etc.
However, my commentary still stands -- you cannot be a Christian and not accept Jesus as the way to God. There is no variant of Christianity which accepts that this point is debatable.
You say that but it does not hold water. Obviously the Catholics would have left out many things from the bible were they ever able to. You must accept Jesus is the Son of God to be Christian. But what would a Satanist know...
That's called a genetic fallacy, and a weak ad hominem attack. Attack my points, but not me, it's against the rules. I assure you most Satanists know more about the Bible than the average Christian because we like trash talking it, lol.
Anyway, the council wasn't Catholics -- at that time all Christians were one thing, pretty much, just Christians.
Yeah and that's all you're trying to do now, trash it with lies.